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To: ought-six

“…but Novorossiya always was a part of Russia from founding time.”

No, it hasn’t.==

No it has. Novorossiya became a part of Russia starting 18 century as a result of a victory in few russo-turk wars.
If you check out who founded towns of Novorossiya you find that there was a number of Russian generals or governors.

Mariupol, Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Lugansk and so further. All was founded by Russians. I know our history.


175 posted on 08/09/2023 11:31:29 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

You’re so dim, you have contradicted yourself and you don’t even know it.

If “Novorossiya” became part of Russia “from founding time” that means Novorossiya became part of Russia when Russia was founded; thus, Russia and Novorossiya were created at the same time. That is what you have said, Ivan.

Then, you compound that by saying Novorossiya became part of Russia “starting” in the 18th century. So, by your words, Russia must not have existed prior to the 18th century.

But the facts are that Russia acquired from the Ottoman Empire, by conquest, that area north of the Black Sea in the 18th century; which Russia then named Novorossiya. So, you see, Russia had to have existed prior to Novorossiya in order for Russia to have acquired it.

You claim several towns or cities were “founded” by Russia.
That, also, is untrue. They predated Russia’s conquest, and Russia just renamed them. For example, Odessa had been founded in the 14th century by the Tatars as Khadzhibey; when Russia acquired it 400 years later Russia renamed it.


176 posted on 08/10/2023 10:29:05 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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