Posted on 08/04/2023 9:18:55 AM PDT by Kazan
The killing continues: The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) lost 845 men on Aug. 2 and 575 Aug. 3 during its hara-kiri “counter-offensive” without sufficient air support, the Russian Ministry of Defence claimed. The Russian Ministry of Defence confirmed Gateway reports that over 40,000 Ukrainians have died in the “counter-offensive” since June 4.
On the Donetsk front, the Russians claim to have repelled 8 enemy attacks and counterattacked on Aug. 2, “improving the situation” for the Russian Army.
Three American Army veterans were also killed, including Geoff Johns, killed July 31st near Bakhmut, Visegrad 24 reports. Andrew Webber, who graduated from the U.S. Military Academy, and Lance Lawrence, who served in the Marine Corps, were both killed on July 29, Ryan O’Leary tweeted, a U.S. Army veteran who leads foreigners in Ukraine’s 59th Motorized Brigade.
3 American volunteer soldiers were killed in battle against the Russian Army near Bakhmut on July 31st.
They were all former soldiers of the U.S. Army.
At least 16 Americans have died in Ukraine since the Russian invasion February 2022, Task and Purpose reports: “Many of those Americans served in the U.S. military, including Marine veteran Ian Tortorici; former Green Beret Nicholas Maimer; and Daniel Swift, who served with Navy SEALs before deserting in 2019s.”
“Since the start of the so-called ‘offensive,’ the Ukrainian armed forces lost over 43,000 soldiers in June-July. This number does not include the injured, who were evacuated to hospitals in Ukraine and abroad, foreign mercenaries as well as the soldiers that were neutralized in long-range high-precision strikes in rear areas,” the Russian Ministry of Defence claimed. Gateway had estimated Ukrainian losses at 46.800, based on previous MoD figures.
“Over four thousand nine hundred units of various AFU weapons have been destroyed on the line of contact, including 26 aircraft, 9 helicopters, 1,831 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, including 25 German-manufactured Leopard tanks, 7 French AMX wheeled tanks and 21 U.S.-manufactured Bradley IFVs. In addition, the enemy losses were 747 field artillery pieces and mortars, including 76 U.S.-manufactured M777 artillery systems, as well as 84 self-propelled artillery systems from Poland, the United States, France and Germany”, the Russian ministry claimed.
“We were treated as cannon fodder, without communication, without anything” a captured AFU servicemen said, according to the Russians. “There was no training. Weapons were the simplest, there was no weapons at all.”
There were no figures on Russian casuaties. Dutch website Oryx counts 11,533 Russian units destroyed or damaged in the war, including 2,199 tanks. Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) Commander Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky said that at least 8,500 VDV personnel have been wounded in Ukraine since the start of the war, the Institute for the Study of War reported, calling it “a rare official disclosure of Russian casualties, which Russian officials have largely sought to obscure as the war has progressed.”
In July, Reuters reported that “nearly 50,000 Russian men have died in the war in Ukraine,” according to independent Russian media outlets Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University.
Russian IT analyst Eldar Murtazin reports that Ukranian mobile providers registered the losses of 1.1 million SIM cards from Spring 2022 to Summer 2023, or 5,500 SIM cards per week. Murtazin believes these may represent total civilian and military casualty figures. He points out that Ukrainians who have emigrated to Europe or elsewhere usually keep their SIM cards for roaming.
Not many deaths for 603 years…
Response "on point." Just for you.
The Ukrainians can defend their homeland. Point. They can. Without question.
They can also lose, if they are not able to defend themselves and repel the invader. It's happened repeatedly throughout history. Point. They can lose, if they can't win.
I agree, but I don’t think they should be shamed for it.
Whether I agree with Russia or the Ukraine, those who seek
to defend the Ukraine are doing something honorable.
They know very well they could become a casualty. They
fight on anyway.
This running commentary about them being nothing but cannon
fodder (or some such) is misguided.
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As if all the news reports are true. Both sides now.
I am not shaming them, if you mean the average men and women. But that the current head of state was a comic with such a lot on video many replay for the fun of it -- after all, it was intended in fun to begin with -- then the target was ripe for the picking. As was the not-to-be-argued $83,000 a month an Idiot-in-Chief's son was pocketing for "consulting" in Ukraine before this horrid war.
I think it a very sad thing that young men die sometimes horrifically in battle. At the risk of seeming to needle you by going from the specific to the general, I include in that members of my own basic training group in the Army during the Vietnam era who "returned" in body bags before I was even past a few months tenure in olive drab. I was among the fortunate; they were not.
So who should be shamed? I think every damn leader in this mess right now. All of them.
How do you ( or I), for that matter, even know any of the “reporting” is true? Seems to be a media managed war. Bagdhad Bob, Lord Haw Haw, Axis Sally , Tokyo Rose, all rolled into one.
Why would a US citizen fight and die for Ukraine? Were they mercenaries? It makes no sense to me.
Yeah, I hear he did “Bedtime for Bonzo.” Smirk...
I did not seek to imply you were denigrating them. If I
worded it so you thought I was, it wasn’t intentional.
I don’t know what Zelensky could have done differently than
he has once invaded. He didn’t cut and run, and at one
point it looked like Russia was going for the quick kill
in the capital.
Tell me what he could have done that you think would have
been a better act for the nation.
Yes, he did one stand up routine prancing as a homosexual.
Does that mean he is one? He’s married with kids, and as
far as I know they’re still functioning as a family.
Yes our kids did die in Vietnam, and plenty of folks could
say we shouldn’t have been there. I do look at South
Korea and what it became as a lofty goal. We’ve done a
lot of that over the decades.
Did our men who died in Vietnam lack valor? No. Do the
people in the Ukraine dying to defend their homeland lack
it? No.
I can think of one damn leader who should be ashamed, but
folks can’t stand the thought.
This academic for me, because I don’t see anything you
have posted I find to be a flagrant foul.
I couldn’t agree more. And some of these YouTube and other
site sources are very suspect. Even the ones who aren’t
exactly in that category, who can accurately fact check any
of it on either side?
Because I don't. There are those who do.
Their sacrifice will not be in vain as they are dying in a great victorious assault on the Russian occupation. Even though they are dying at an alarming rate, there will still be plenty more of them to conscript to send in. As long as there is still a dollar or a euro of Western aid to be laundered, er spent on the valiant effort, we will stand with Ukraine until the triumph over Russian oppression.
The utilitarian thinking of liberalism allows them to consider the sacrifices for their usefulness to the ultimate purpose, and not as the tragedy that they really are. People are just numbers: consumers, voters, workers. And not the individual identifying numbers that substitute for names, but the counting and quantifying numbers. Any value of an individual is purely what they are useful for and on e they are not useful they can be eliminated. It is a blessing if you can be ignored instead of eliminated.
Agreed...
Whatever. This is yet another 20 money raking war. Like Afghanistan but without suicide bombers.
Anyone who thinks they have some sort of inside track from the “front lines” are being played. The Pentagon, and the incredibly corrupt Zelensky and Putin are all in on it to keep the so called war alive as for long as they can pull the wool over the masses.
This way, the gas prices remain stratospheric to benefit Russia, billions of aid (our taxes) benefits Zelensky and US politicians who get it billions kicked back, and the Pentagon and their pals at Raytheon and Lockheed Martin keep the sales rolling in.
Am I the only one who sees this for what it really is?
what a crock. Tell you what, you go over to Ukraine and fight in a war not your own or not your nations. We will not mourn your loss when it occurs
Sure Jan.
“Even though they are dying at an alarming rate”
They don’t.
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