Posted on 08/04/2023 9:18:55 AM PDT by Kazan
Not many deaths for 603 years…
Response "on point." Just for you.
The Ukrainians can defend their homeland. Point. They can. Without question.
They can also lose, if they are not able to defend themselves and repel the invader. It's happened repeatedly throughout history. Point. They can lose, if they can't win.
I agree, but I don’t think they should be shamed for it.
Whether I agree with Russia or the Ukraine, those who seek
to defend the Ukraine are doing something honorable.
They know very well they could become a casualty. They
fight on anyway.
This running commentary about them being nothing but cannon
fodder (or some such) is misguided.
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As if all the news reports are true. Both sides now.
I am not shaming them, if you mean the average men and women. But that the current head of state was a comic with such a lot on video many replay for the fun of it -- after all, it was intended in fun to begin with -- then the target was ripe for the picking. As was the not-to-be-argued $83,000 a month an Idiot-in-Chief's son was pocketing for "consulting" in Ukraine before this horrid war.
I think it a very sad thing that young men die sometimes horrifically in battle. At the risk of seeming to needle you by going from the specific to the general, I include in that members of my own basic training group in the Army during the Vietnam era who "returned" in body bags before I was even past a few months tenure in olive drab. I was among the fortunate; they were not.
So who should be shamed? I think every damn leader in this mess right now. All of them.
How do you ( or I), for that matter, even know any of the “reporting” is true? Seems to be a media managed war. Bagdhad Bob, Lord Haw Haw, Axis Sally , Tokyo Rose, all rolled into one.
Why would a US citizen fight and die for Ukraine? Were they mercenaries? It makes no sense to me.
Yeah, I hear he did “Bedtime for Bonzo.” Smirk...
I did not seek to imply you were denigrating them. If I
worded it so you thought I was, it wasn’t intentional.
I don’t know what Zelensky could have done differently than
he has once invaded. He didn’t cut and run, and at one
point it looked like Russia was going for the quick kill
in the capital.
Tell me what he could have done that you think would have
been a better act for the nation.
Yes, he did one stand up routine prancing as a homosexual.
Does that mean he is one? He’s married with kids, and as
far as I know they’re still functioning as a family.
Yes our kids did die in Vietnam, and plenty of folks could
say we shouldn’t have been there. I do look at South
Korea and what it became as a lofty goal. We’ve done a
lot of that over the decades.
Did our men who died in Vietnam lack valor? No. Do the
people in the Ukraine dying to defend their homeland lack
it? No.
I can think of one damn leader who should be ashamed, but
folks can’t stand the thought.
This academic for me, because I don’t see anything you
have posted I find to be a flagrant foul.
I couldn’t agree more. And some of these YouTube and other
site sources are very suspect. Even the ones who aren’t
exactly in that category, who can accurately fact check any
of it on either side?
Because I don't. There are those who do.
Their sacrifice will not be in vain as they are dying in a great victorious assault on the Russian occupation. Even though they are dying at an alarming rate, there will still be plenty more of them to conscript to send in. As long as there is still a dollar or a euro of Western aid to be laundered, er spent on the valiant effort, we will stand with Ukraine until the triumph over Russian oppression.
The utilitarian thinking of liberalism allows them to consider the sacrifices for their usefulness to the ultimate purpose, and not as the tragedy that they really are. People are just numbers: consumers, voters, workers. And not the individual identifying numbers that substitute for names, but the counting and quantifying numbers. Any value of an individual is purely what they are useful for and on e they are not useful they can be eliminated. It is a blessing if you can be ignored instead of eliminated.
Agreed...
Whatever. This is yet another 20 money raking war. Like Afghanistan but without suicide bombers.
Anyone who thinks they have some sort of inside track from the “front lines” are being played. The Pentagon, and the incredibly corrupt Zelensky and Putin are all in on it to keep the so called war alive as for long as they can pull the wool over the masses.
This way, the gas prices remain stratospheric to benefit Russia, billions of aid (our taxes) benefits Zelensky and US politicians who get it billions kicked back, and the Pentagon and their pals at Raytheon and Lockheed Martin keep the sales rolling in.
Am I the only one who sees this for what it really is?
what a crock. Tell you what, you go over to Ukraine and fight in a war not your own or not your nations. We will not mourn your loss when it occurs
Sure Jan.
“Even though they are dying at an alarming rate”
They don’t.
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