[desertsolitaire]

I though Giuliani cleaned all this up with his broken glass initiative in policing?

[gibsonguy]

He did but then the rats came back and NY returned to its natural state.

[Jim Noble]

“I thought Giuliani cleaned all this up with his broken glass initiative in policing?”

Yeah he did. I left NYC for good in 1980 but I have family there - when I went back in the late 90s the Big Town was unrecognizable. I carried an exhausted 2 year old onto the F train and 3 people got up to offer me a seat.

The Giuliani - Bratton plan was to find the bad guys and send them upstate for 20 years. They only needed to send 5000 or so, and they were excellent and finding the right 5000 bad guys.

But

Nature took its course, 20 years have gone by, the bad guys are all back training their replacements, and it turns out that the bad guy community would rather have the crime than have their brothers, uncles, fathers etc upstate.

I don’t see a new Giuliani getting a handle on this.

[Major Matt Mason]

It's Back to the 70's for NYC. That city was slimy during those years (not to mention bankrupt).