Posted on 07/13/2023 8:28:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Looks like NATO is spending 18 or so times what Russia is.
Combine spending of USA+NATO countries + Ukraine.
That would equal $876.9+$68.5+55.8+53.6+33.5+26.9+20.3+15.6+44.0 = $1200 Billion
Russia spends $86.4 Billon.
But Russia is still able to fight and capture territory against a military spending 14 times more?
What is wrong with this scenario?
This should be filtered to display “effective” military spending, or “effectively military spending”.
So much of the American budget has nothing to do with actual warfighting and combat-effectiveness spending.
“”””But Russia is still able to fight and capture territory against a military spending 14 times more?””””
Ukraine isn’t spending 14 times more.
Need to adjust for the unbelievably bloated costs of the Western militaries.
Munitions and equjipment consistently cost an order of magnitude more in the West.
Everything from 7.62 vs .277 Fury, Krasnopol vs Excaliber, T90 vs Abrams, SU-57 vs F35, the Western cost is x10.
US military pay is ~x5 Russian levels.
Yeah the Western stuff may be better (debatable, given the battlefield performance of the Bradleys and Leopards) but not x10 !
Are you still bad with English? I said with entire NATO with USA (14 times BIGGER SPENDING than Russia) backing Ukraine, puny spending Russia has captured territory and holding it.
From what I have seen, every country has wasteful military spending. OK, may be USA is more wasteful than others.
US munitions costs ten times as much, and it is Russia that has the corruption problem ?
I’m not kidding about x10.
AK 7.62 Russian cost supposedly 20 cents per round. AR DOD cost is supposedly 25 cents, so not too bad
But the new 277 Fury high pressure rounds will be an estimated $2 - $4 per round
Fury case is 3 piece since brass can’t take the high chamber pressures - brass tube, aluminum lock washer, stainless steel base which is individually machined !
I saw it, but if you want to know how Russia “is still able to fight and capture territory” while the United States and the other 30 countries of NATO aren’t, it is because Russia is immersed in fighting a war of conquest.
NATO/US isn’t fighting a war so they could hardly be fighting and capturing anything, they are at peace.
Russia invaded and is fighting Ukraine alone. At best Ukraine gets scraps of surplus or outdated equipment from the NATO countries.
NATO isn’t fighting the war.
Russia lost to Ukraine in February and March 2022 and has spent tye past 16 months in long drawn out retreat
NATO isn’t sending its latest weapons to Ukraine.
So your analogy is false
Theft by industrial military complex.
Ruzzia is not fighting NATO. At such point that war between Ruzzia and NATO breaks out it will be a very bad day for Ruzzia.
“Looks like NATO is spending 18 or so times what Russia is.”
And it is more easily able to so, because it is a smaller percentage of their GDP.
“ But Russia is still able to fight and capture territory against a military spending 14 times more?
What is wrong with this scenario?”
1. That NATO spending overwhelmingly does not go into the Ukraine war. The total amount that NATO has provided to the Ukraine is around one year’s worth of Russia’s (pre-war) Military budget.
2. In addition to current year spending, Russia has been expending huge stores out of inventory. Essentially, they have been blowing through their savings, as well as their paycheck. The gigantic Soviet stockpiles that Russia inherited from the Soviet Union, have been fired off at an historic rate of speed. The better half of many commodities (like Artillery shells and cruise missiles) is already gone, and several major combat platforms (like tanks, Artillery, attack helicopters and Close Air Support jets) are nearing the level where remaining inventory will be unable to continue to replace the rate of loss, and sustain the same number of active systems on the battlefield.
3. Russia has been spending more than their Federal Defense Budget, forcing their equivalent of State and local Government to raise and sustain combat units, as well as supposedly “Private” businesses like Wagner PMC and Gazprom - even individual oligarchs (they have actually been tapped pretty hard already.
That’s some kind of wishful dreaming you’ve got going on there. It’s about as realistic as Hitler’s bunker hopes.
Very misleading considering the US spends the most but pays the people doing the work far more. China is way ahead of us if you look at what they spend and the pittance they pay their people.. and that’s the ones that actually get paid.
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