Posted on 07/12/2023 9:31:53 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter is touring Russian cities and claiming Ukraine will lose the war. Why do he and other disgraced Americans insist on defending Putin's rhetoric?
Russian propaganda outlets have loved quoting Americans they believe are arguing in Moscow's favour ever since the 2014 invasion of Ukraine, and even more so since the full-scale attack launched in February last year.
While the concept of Western intellectuals kowtowing to Soviet leadership – and downplaying their crimes – was relatively common during the Cold War, it has gained new momentum since Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear his plans to either break up or occupy the entirety of Ukraine.
Ritter is a convicted sex offender, having been caught exposing himself to minors online on several occasions. He served a year and a half in prison. Despite this, he claims he was being targeted by the US administration for his opposition to the war in Iraq.
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We have no M1 tanks in this fight, try to keep up.
Hitler was a nationalist too using your definition.
We have no dog in this fight, try to keep up
How active is the Monroe Doctrine now?
I have been openly pro-Russian here since the 2014 American coup d’état in Kiev.
I support great power nationalism (especially the USA version).
As far as “pro-Putin”, I couldn’t care less if he lives or dies as long as the Kagan-Nuland-Blinken plot to break up Russia fails.
The USA is meant to be a free republic, not the governorate of the World.
Why is he ignoring corruption in Russia?
“We have no M1 tanks in this fight, try to keep up.”
Given the track record of the ancient NATO hardware, I can’t say I blame the Neocons for REFUSING to send the M1’s, as they’re likely will remain a formidable weapons...as long as it doesn’t get tested against the Russians.
“History” ran into a buzz-saw in the 19th century. Nationalism was invented (yes, it was an invention) in the course of the Romantic movement and the legacy of the French Revolution. Along with other Romantic ideologies, such as socialism, but that’s another thread.
Parts of several empires developed a particular, divergent view of themselves. Hence the Czechs, Poles, Croats, etc. Even the Belgians decided they couldn’t be one with the Dutch. This began an age of revolutions and the roots of many nations, along with irredentism (”Italia Irredenta!”).
At the same time new empires developed the same types of ideologies. Hence the creation of Italy and Germany out of disparate parts, hence the intense propaganda of the French Third Republic. You realize that much of France, in the days of the monarchy, didn’t speak French?
Spain is a case in point. Inspired by the French Revolution, many Spanish people for the first time began to see themselves as a particular Spanish identity, not as Castillians or Agagonese, etc. This became a liberal trope among the elite, hence the centralizing policies intended to erase the many ethnicities of Spain, which drove a couple of civil wars.
And this caused a reaction, whereby many formerly contented peoples of Spain formed counter-nationalisms. If you care, you can look at, say, the argument between Miguel Unamuno, the Basque Catholic Spanish nationalist and Sabino Arana, the Basque racial bigot who wanted Basque independence from Spain.
Ukraine had the same sort of nationalist awakening. But it had, until the collapse of that last European empire, the Soviet Union, very bad luck.
This is very complicated stuff. It requires a deep dive into modern European history to comprehend the whole.
Yes, Hitler certainly was a nationalist of the classic Romantic sort. Well, that was ONE thing he was.
At least it is their own countries propaganda. You have to be a special kind of scumbag to post Russian propaganda. Even Russians can see through it.
“Great Power Nationalism” is a thing.
Invented in France. And picked up across Europe by all sorts of people, notably the Germans, Italians, etc. And the Russians. For better or worse. Mostly, I think, worse.
The Catholic official political ideology btw, is subsidiarity. Look it up.
“No, there are not “many sorts of nationalists.”
Oh, there are, there are. And they aren’t “fake”, not at all. They all really began at the same time, in the same wave of ideas. They all also went through their own process of evolution. And they are, often, essentially in conflict.
As I said in answer to your other comment, you need some education here.
Nice brief review of a complex topic.
People who see Napoleon and Hitler in Trumpismo are not entirely wrong. Unfortunately most Americans education about the Two Corporals is kindergarten level at best.
Unfortunately most Americans education about the Two Corporals is kindergarten level at best.
It’s not just “most Americans”. The neocon foreign policy elite like Doug Feith view everything via the lens of WW2 or segregation.
So in Iraq, he decided that after Baghdad was conquered, what Iraq needed was “de-Baathification”
So he had General Garn fired. Garn’s priority was to get the power back on (not WW2 re-enactors)
that’s General Garner
Or Scott is the creep we know him to be
WW2 is a consequence in large part of conflicting romantic ideas. This also was a “neocon” idea. This was one of the themes of Strauss.
Maybe so.
But the big problem is pushing every foreign policy issue from Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Saddam-Kuwait, Somalia, Rwanda, to Serbia, to Saddam, to the Taliban to the Ukraine War into the lessons of “Hitler Revisited! Resist Aggression or 6 million will die !”
I think you’re definitely right, it’s very complicated. Our minds need to label and categorize, but to do so we typically use known models.
Regardless of the complexity, it seems evident to me Putin opposes the globalists.
As does Trump.
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