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There are ways to stop voter fraud that uses undelivered ballots
American Thinker ^ | 07/11/2023 | Steve Selinger

Posted on 07/11/2023 8:56:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jay Valentine makes a strong case that ballots should not be mailed out to addresses for which mail cannot be delivered (vacant lots), at which voters cannot reside (commercial or industrial addresses), or where mail cannot be accurately delivered (apartment or dorm buildings with no apartment number or dorm room number.) He recommends purifying voter rolls so that ballots will not be mailed out to addresses where mail cannot be delivered or voters cannot live. This can be done by compiling the Undeliverable Ballot Database (UBD).

To support his argument, Valentine quotes a message from a retired mailman who said that he saw hundreds, or even thousands, of returned ballots put in a basket at the post office for “returned/undeliverable mail” until someone came by and picked them up. It is important to note that these mailed-out ballots are “live ammunition” that can be voted by anyone who picks them up and votes the way they want to.

Some states (such as Texas) require that the voter include parts of a social security number or driver’s license number in the returned ballot. However, this is certainly not a foolproof method, as the requested data is accessible via commercial databases, and fraudsters can find and supply it. This is also a good reason to keep voter signatures away from public view because that, too, makes it too easy for fraudsters. It is a constant battle of defense versus offense in the voter fraud arena.

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Other states have no limitations. Michigan has opened the floodgates to fraudulent voting. The GOP will be at a severe disadvantage in that state due to the changes in the voting laws that have been enacted.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2000ballots; 2000microdonations; 2000mules; ballotfraud; ballots; dirtyjoseybenson; electionfraud; jayvalentine; michigan; michiganfraud; micolorrevolution; secretaryofsoros; steveselinger; voterfraud
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1 posted on 07/11/2023 8:56:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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An additional way to attack the problem is to put some constraints on the post office’s handling of returned ballots. It would be great to get all the bogus addresses off the voter rolls, but what shall we do with the ones that slip through?

One approach is to bring a lawsuit requiring the post office to keep a record of the number of returned ballots, place them in a safe location, and have the stored returned ballots made available for inspection by representatives of both parties to ensure that no ballots are removed.

A federal injunction could see that this practice is followed nationwide. If talk about the “sanctity of elections” is to be backed up with actions, such a move should not be opposed.

Another possible approach would be an injunction banning mailing out ballots unless it’s verified that an actual voter lives at an address: In other words, states would be enjoined from mailing ballots to addresses on the Undeliverable Ballot Database. Of course, judges would have to be convinced that the information on the UBD actually belongs there.


2 posted on 07/11/2023 8:57:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
After the Michigan Mean Girls stole the 2018 "election" in Michigan with no pushback from the complicit Republicans, it was all over.

I predict that Michigan is going to out-California California in the next five years.

3 posted on 07/11/2023 8:59:52 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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I predict that Michigan is going to out-California California in the next five years.

Sadly, you are probably correct.

What needs to be done is a complete overhaul of the absentee voting process, whereby if you choose to vote absentee, you lose your right to a secret ballot.

Your signature affidavit will be numerically tied to your ballot, so that if the signature is later successfully challenged the associated ballot's votes can be subtracted from the totals. For privacy, only elected county clerks will have access to the list of absentee voter names and their associated ballot numbers, not volunteers.

With today's system, once the outer envelope with the voter's signature is separated from the ballot inside, there is no way to subsequently retrieve that ballot if the signature is later determined to be fraudulent.

4 posted on 07/11/2023 9:11:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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The Democrats in Michigan seized control in the Traverse City area and have been busily rigging the county votes within an hour's drive of Grand Traverse County.

There's a reason that Antrim had those funky numbers in 2020.

I don't know what they were up to to pump up the Dem vote counts in those counties - but they did it.

It's disguised - because the Trump vote beat the Tater vote in all those counties.

But the Tater "vote" exploded.

5 posted on 07/11/2023 9:17:20 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

good idea but how do they implement it in states where democrats control the election process. dems control the election process in all of the swing states.


6 posted on 07/11/2023 9:17:26 AM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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put some constraints on the post office’s handling of returned ballots.
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post office is run for and by the democrats.

how do you put constraints on the post office under those circumstances.


7 posted on 07/11/2023 9:19:03 AM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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It was done in Macomb County, with all of the precincts in Macomb combined into one giant tabulation center in Cobo Hall, then called the TCF Center, now the Huntington Place Center.


8 posted on 07/11/2023 9:20:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, none of it will be done.


9 posted on 07/11/2023 9:24:20 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Yo-Yo
The TCF dumps were where they "finished off" the Michigan Cheat - but they used red Michigan counties to get them close enough in the first place.

I'll publish my Obama 2008 Vote Fraud Detection tool spreadsheet for Michigan one of these days.

They started the process in summer 2018 by securing the 2016 ballots from the red Michigan counties [the blue counties were too large to respond to the FOIAs before January 2019].

Result? Blue Wave in the red counties.

No Blue Wave in the blue counties.

I also think that they were throwing away Trump votes in the TCF in 2020.

10 posted on 07/11/2023 9:33:44 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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No Republican will ever win the presidency again as long as cheat-by-mail-in ballots are allowed. Kari Lake's legal challenges have revealed how the signatures on these ballots are 'verified.'

We have RINO-controlled state legislatures to thank for this treason. They have the power to stop mail-ins, but they won't because they are exclusively used to cheat MAGA candidates.

11 posted on 07/11/2023 9:36:21 AM PDT by HandBasketHell
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I also think that they were throwing away Trump votes in the TCF in 2020.

Don't forget what the vote count was when they halted tabulation, then what happened when they resumed tabulation in the TCF Center.


12 posted on 07/11/2023 9:46:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

A bigger and better fraud operation on our side.


13 posted on 07/11/2023 9:48:25 AM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: SeekAndFind

PUT SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE BALLOTS.


14 posted on 07/11/2023 9:50:28 AM PDT by oil_dude
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To: SeekAndFind

How about doing it the way we did before covid. No random mail outs or drop boxes.


15 posted on 07/11/2023 9:54:36 AM PDT by glimmerman70
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To: SeekAndFind
Washington state law allows ballots from persons who have no address, but are otherwise 'qualified' to vote solely due to their age and proximity of being in WA at the time. So there is no way to challenge or audit their signatures to confirm their state citizenship.

Yet they produce 'certified' elections year after year ...

16 posted on 07/11/2023 9:55:03 AM PDT by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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This article has more truth:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/07/11/are_republicans_too_green_to_round_up_them_absentee_votes_964963.html


17 posted on 07/11/2023 9:58:00 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: SeekAndFind

The returned ballots should be picked up by the BOE - with both GOP and DEM observers on the run.

And, the number of returned ballots should be deducted from the total sent out.


18 posted on 07/11/2023 10:04:15 AM PDT by MMusson
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I remember from 2020 election - 1200 ballots were sent to a homeless shelter in downtown Atlanta.


19 posted on 07/11/2023 10:04:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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IN 2020-—IN CLARK COUNTY, NEV—Las Vegas-—an elderly lady, who was housebound, lived in a 2nd floor apartment for years.

When the Republicans audited that district, (after election) it came to light that 63 ballots had been delivered to that apartment-—all to Hispanic names.

She is white-—not even close to a Hispanic name & SAMPLE Ballots were also delivered to her apartment.

Right there are 63 false ballots.

POSTAL CARRIER did NOTHING.


20 posted on 07/11/2023 10:15:24 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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