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To: DiogenesLamp
"They used euphemisms, probably because they just didn't want the word "slave" put into the constitution."

Probably? Why not just go read the notes for yourself and find out?

"I think the consequences of it are the dominant factors as to what is going wrong in the country today."

I know. You've made that abundantly clear in several prior discussions. You give progressives a pass, and even trust them in some situations.

Progressivism is America's Cancer.

"Do you know how many horrible court decisions were created out of thin air thanks to the 14th amendment?"

I don't trust progressives, so I'm going to say much fewer than you'd wish to include. The vast majority of the bad court cases created out of thin air don't come from the 14th amendment. They come from the Incorporation Doctrine.

- which, yes, I know, the rumor is that Incorporation is based on the 14th. But you have to distrust progressives to take that final step. There isn't any evidence for the claim. Incorporation is not based on the 14th. It's based on thin air.

"Abortion, illegal alien "anchor babies", banning prayer in schools, re-writing the presidential eligibility requirements, homosexual marriage, and so forth."

The progressives did all these things. Just because progressives told me/you/us that the 14th amendment is what enables them? No. Progressives lie. They'll say anything.

The obvious one is homosexual marriage. If that was actually a part of the 14th, there would be some actual evidence. Since there is none, this can't be pinned on the 14th. It gets pinned on the liars. The progressives.

All of this stuff was created by deceitful progressives. Progressivism is America's Cancer.

82 posted on 07/08/2023 10:22:50 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
I know. You've made that abundantly clear in several prior discussions. You give progressives a pass, and even trust them in some situations.

I don't know how you get that from anything i've written.

Yes, I believe the Civil War is the root cause of many of the problems this nation faces. No, I don't give progressives a pass. They are the primary force behind everything that has gone wrong, including the Civil War.

Progressivism is America's Cancer.

Yes.

I don't trust progressives, so I'm going to say much fewer than you'd wish to include. The vast majority of the bad court cases created out of thin air don't come from the 14th amendment. They come from the Incorporation Doctrine.

You need to look up the "incorporation doctrine." It comes from the 14th amendment. Now you are making my point for me, but you apparently didn't know the 14th is what created the "Incorporation Doctrine."

Here are a couple of links for you. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/incorp.htm

Now perhaps you will understand *WHY* I said the 14th created this mess.

- which, yes, I know, the rumor is that Incorporation is based on the 14th. But you have to distrust progressives to take that final step. There isn't any evidence for the claim. Incorporation is not based on the 14th. It's based on thin air.

The 14th is so badly written that a Judge can easily interpret it to allow him to do anything he wants. Have you *READ* the 14th amendment? It's a freaking mess!

Yes, the "incorporation doctrine" is a direct result of the 14th amendment.

The progressives did all these things. Just because progressives told me/you/us that the 14th amendment is what enables them? No. Progressives lie. They'll say anything.

Doesn't matter if they are lying, when they are supreme court Judges, they can lie if they want to. The only thing that would give them pause is the possibility of embarrassing themselves in front of their fellow lawyers, and this is where the 14th gives them an excuse to just make things up. They can cite the 14th, their liberal lawyer friends can nod their heads and say "SEE! It's LEGAL!

The obvious one is homosexual marriage. If that was actually a part of the 14th, there would be some actual evidence.

Their thinking goes like this. It applies to blacks, and homosexuals are a marginalized group like blacks, so it also applies to homosexuals.

And do you know what Vichy government is? Can a Vichy government pass legitimate laws?

84 posted on 07/09/2023 4:41:23 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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