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I know. You've made that abundantly clear in several prior discussions. You give progressives a pass, and even trust them in some situations.

I don't know how you get that from anything i've written.

Yes, I believe the Civil War is the root cause of many of the problems this nation faces. No, I don't give progressives a pass. They are the primary force behind everything that has gone wrong, including the Civil War.

Progressivism is America's Cancer.

Yes.

I don't trust progressives, so I'm going to say much fewer than you'd wish to include. The vast majority of the bad court cases created out of thin air don't come from the 14th amendment. They come from the Incorporation Doctrine.

You need to look up the "incorporation doctrine." It comes from the 14th amendment. Now you are making my point for me, but you apparently didn't know the 14th is what created the "Incorporation Doctrine."

Here are a couple of links for you. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/incorp.htm

Now perhaps you will understand *WHY* I said the 14th created this mess.

- which, yes, I know, the rumor is that Incorporation is based on the 14th. But you have to distrust progressives to take that final step. There isn't any evidence for the claim. Incorporation is not based on the 14th. It's based on thin air.

The 14th is so badly written that a Judge can easily interpret it to allow him to do anything he wants. Have you *READ* the 14th amendment? It's a freaking mess!

Yes, the "incorporation doctrine" is a direct result of the 14th amendment.

The progressives did all these things. Just because progressives told me/you/us that the 14th amendment is what enables them? No. Progressives lie. They'll say anything.

Doesn't matter if they are lying, when they are supreme court Judges, they can lie if they want to. The only thing that would give them pause is the possibility of embarrassing themselves in front of their fellow lawyers, and this is where the 14th gives them an excuse to just make things up. They can cite the 14th, their liberal lawyer friends can nod their heads and say "SEE! It's LEGAL!

The obvious one is homosexual marriage. If that was actually a part of the 14th, there would be some actual evidence.

Their thinking goes like this. It applies to blacks, and homosexuals are a marginalized group like blacks, so it also applies to homosexuals.

And do you know what Vichy government is? Can a Vichy government pass legitimate laws?

There’s too much here to unpack. There’s about 15 rabbit holes here. We’ll have to leave it as an ‘agree to disagree’ as each one of these things could have dozens of links back and forth for the next several weeks. We’ve been here before. I just can’t do that right now.

I’m sure we will have a chance to discuss this again, as we have done in the past. Which I do look forward to, so its said. And yes I understand the doctrine, I’m the one who brought it up.(or re-brought it up, didn’t re-read the thread in that moment.)

The only thing I can’t believe because it’s encapsulated so beautifully in one single post, is you reject my claim that you trust progressives and then you implore me to go to university websites of known, deeply left wing universities.

I really don’t understand how you’re missing it. You told me you don’t do it and then you went and did it. How did you not connect this? How did you not connect those universities to leftism and the bell rings, and then: ? “I’m trusting left wing universities by doing this”

I could even imagine this sounds somewhat rude, so for that I apologize. I did speak directly with this. I am genuinely, sincerely curious how you didn’t make the connection with what took place here so I am asking. I would really like to know, I’m not trying to be snarky.

To be fair, I did open and read through some of what you linked. But it’s the usual fallacies that I would expect a progressive university to promote; and yes, many of the usual omissions are of course omitted. I would expect nothing less from progressives and their wholly-owned universities.(really, indoctrination camps)