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To: Jamestown1630
I don’t think they believed it would come to so bloody and destructive a war.

They actually did. This is from Anti-Federalist number 25. January, 1788.

Our great Lords and Masters are to lay taxes, raise and support armies, provide a navy, and may appropriate money for two years, call forth the militia to execute their laws, suppress insurrections, and the President is to have the command of the militia. Now, my countrymen, I would ask you, why are all these things directed and put into their power? Why, I conceive, they are to keep you in a good humor; and if you should, at any time, think you are imposed upon by Congress and your great Lords and Masters, and refuse or delay to pay your taxes, or do anything that they shall think proper to order you to do, they can, and I have not a doubt but they will, send the militia of Pennsylvania, Boston, or any other state or place, to cut your throats, ravage and destroy your plantations, drive away your cattle and horses, abuse your wives, kill your infants, and ravish your daughters, and live in free quarters, until you get into a good humor, and pay all that they may think proper to ask of you, and you become good and faithful servants and slaves.

And this from anti-Federalist #29. December 1787.

The militia of Pennsylvania may be marched to New England or Virginia to quell an insurrection occasioned by the most galling oppression, and aided by the standing army, they will no doubt be successful in subduing their liberty and independency. But in so doing, although the magnanimity of their minds will be extinguished, yet the meaner passions of resentment and revenge will be increased, and these in turn will be the ready and obedient instruments of despotism to enslave the others; and that with an irritated vengeance. Thus may the militia be made the instruments of crushing the last efforts of expiring liberty, of riveting the chains of despotism on their fellow-citizens, and on one another. This power can be exercised not only without violating the Constitution, but in strict conformity with it; it is calculated for this express purpose, and will doubtless be executed accordingly.

They predicted exactly what was going to happen, even to the point of naming Pennsylvania and Massachusetts as the source of those Federal troops which would kill and destroy people to enact the diktats of Washington DC.

61 posted on 07/07/2023 9:04:02 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I was discussing slavery, and the Founders’ perhaps too optimistic expectations of its end.

Do you suppose Patrick Henry himself, who would have died for liberty and ‘abhorred’ slavery, thought it would take more than two hundred years to end it and all of its vestiges? Did he think it should just carry on until people in the States decided on their own to abolish it, despite the abomination of it?


67 posted on 07/07/2023 12:33:11 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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