[JesusIsLord]

“You intended to harm me, but God intended it all for good. He brought me to this position so I could save the lives of many people.”

Are you trying to say that slaves should have understood that their bondage was meant for good? Should Jews who lived through the holocaust understood that it was an impetus for the creation of modern Israel - that Nazism was meant for their good?

If we believe a people enslaved or brutalized by a regime should recognize that "God intended it for their good" - then what we believe is beyond credulity in my opinion.

[Jamestown1630]

'...then what we believe is beyond credulity in my opinion.'

This is one of the hardest things in our history. I understand the arguments of the Founders doing their best to create a Union; but if all of the people had truly taken to heart the ideals in our Declaration, the slaves might have foregone hundreds of years of further slavery and failure to achieve true citizenship.

Given frail human nature, I guess it had to happen the way that it did; but we paid a horrible price a hundred years later, and many still didn't learn the lesson for another hundred years. And the stupidity still carries on - we've just been trying, since the Johnson years, to destroy Black people further.

We've made a mess for ourselves. There's no getting around it.

[jeffersondem]

“If we believe a people enslaved or brutalized by a regime should recognize that “God intended it for their good” - then what we believe is beyond credulity in my opinion.”

Perhaps beyond credulity; certainly beyond my ability to explain in adequate terms.

But it is there, probably for a reason. One explanation - not a very good one - is that the story was put there for us to ignore.