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To: Petrosius
Yours is a classic, Derridian play to flip a fact or issue on its head by attempting to justify the unjustifiable. Ugh:

"The Ukrainians who are using Nazi symbols are not advocating the eliminations of the Jews or the conquest and subjugation of other ethnic groups. Rather, they are using the symbols of the Nazis to demonstrate their opposition to Russian subjugation. Their crime, then, is not that they are advocating Nazism but that they are using Nazi symbols. This may be offensive but it does not make them actual Nazis."

Now I will show the insidious nature of your attempted inversion: "The Blacks who are using burning cross symbols are not advocating the eliminations of the Blacks or the conquest and subjugation of other ethnic groups. Rather, they are using the symbols of the KKK to demonstrate their opposition to Asian Supremacy and Asian oppression of Blacks. Their crime, then, is not that they are advocating KKK but that they are using KKK symbols. This may be offensive but it does not make them actual KKK racists.

You're trying to rhetorically neuter the meaning, pedigree and intent of Ukrainians using Nazi symbols, including the swastika. And by doing that you're brushing off the evil inherent in using such symbols, especially in war time.

Why aren't Ukrainians using Norse or Mongol. . . or Ukrainian warrior symbols instead?

Why are you attempting to excuse Ukraine's indisputable, long standing affinity for Nazis and Nazi symbols?

Nazi symbols, including the notorious swastika, are largely associated with one thing - Nazism. Everyone knows that. And everyone knows what Nazism is, and what its symbols mean and what its basic tenets and "vibe" are. No one displays or wears a Nazi swastika, or SS Death's Head without knowing precisely what they stand for - no semiotics lesson required in order to extract their "true meanings,' nor is your pedantic explanation of what Nazism is required to "explain" what it "actually" is .

Then, of course, let's look at the fact that the most sadistic, strident and psychopathic Nazi death camp guards were Ukrainians. They were legendary for their brutally against the Jews. Lithuanian guards were a close second.

Your last paragraph is another try at flipping reality on its head:"This harping on the use of Nazi symbols by small number of Ukrainians is nothing but an attempt to delegitimize the Ukrainian self-defense against a Russian invasion, the ones who are actually attempting to subjugate another ethic group for the benefit of their own ethnic group; in other word, the true Nazis."

So, because Russia invaded Ukraine after 100 years of strife between both nations including the mayhem and killing of ethnic Russians in parts of Ukraine in recent years; because Russia invaded Ukraine after a decade of provocation by NATO and leftist/globalists who affected a coup there in 2014, Russia is "Nazi?" Aggressive? Yes. Was the invasion justified? That's debatable. Was the invasion Nazi-like? Nice try. . .

On Hitlers goals: Hitler's main goals were threefold: 1) Lebensraum for Germans 2) Avenging Versailles 3)Achieving "racial purity" (whatever the eff that meant) in his country. Murdering Jews was a means to that end. Evil beyond belief but the difference between why Hitler murdered Jews and why Ukrainians did is enormous: Hitler killed Jews as a means towards an end. On the other hand, account after account shows that Ukrainian guards in German-run death camps tortured and murdered Jews simply for sport and sadistic pleasure.

25 posted on 07/03/2023 2:31:16 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Rocco DiPippo

So the Ukrainians today are subhuman “Nazis” because of the crimes of their ancestors 80 years ago, but we should forget about the crimes of the Russians, both then and now. Why not a equal horror about the deeds of the Soviets against the Ukrainians? Do not look at the past, but at the present. Today it is the Russians who are attempting to subjugate another nation, destroying cities and leave death in their wake. But I guess that does not count because of what happened 80 years ago.


32 posted on 07/03/2023 5:29:45 PM PDT by Petrosius
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