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Posted on 07/03/2023 1:52:05 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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Yet the key intel agencies in Poland, Germany, and Israel — all of whom know about Nazis — have concluded that the supposed Ukrainian “Nazi problem> is not really a problem.
Poland is now Ukraine’s greatest friend. That part of the world has had a difficult history. They have managed to put historical events behind them and have allied now precisely because of the Nazi themes of genocide, mass destruction and industrial scale banditry found in the modern Russian mafia-state.
The closing paragraphs are heartbreaking but true:
Today’s America is closer to the Soviet model than it is to that of our Founding Fathers. This may explain their affinity for Ukrainian Nazism. These so-called leaders see nothing wrong with genocide if it produces the desired results. Western leaders can ignore the costs of war because the dying and destruction are “over there.” Fatality estimates vary widely, but it seems as if they are already in the tens of thousands, and that doesn’t count the human misery from destroyed communities and displaced lives.
Every American who believes in the U.S. Constitution should be both fearful and ashamed of our current government.”
Good assessment. The first wisdom about history is to recognize that it is about the past, not current realities that we must master for the sake of our best future. And, with a degree in history and a lifetime of reading in history, I can claim some authority on that point.
"The Ukrainians who are using Nazi symbols are not advocating the eliminations of the Jews or the conquest and subjugation of other ethnic groups. Rather, they are using the symbols of the Nazis to demonstrate their opposition to Russian subjugation. Their crime, then, is not that they are advocating Nazism but that they are using Nazi symbols. This may be offensive but it does not make them actual Nazis."
Now I will show the insidious nature of your attempted inversion: "The Blacks who are using burning cross symbols are not advocating the eliminations of the Blacks or the conquest and subjugation of other ethnic groups. Rather, they are using the symbols of the KKK to demonstrate their opposition to Asian Supremacy and Asian oppression of Blacks. Their crime, then, is not that they are advocating KKK but that they are using KKK symbols. This may be offensive but it does not make them actual KKK racists.
You're trying to rhetorically neuter the meaning, pedigree and intent of Ukrainians using Nazi symbols, including the swastika. And by doing that you're brushing off the evil inherent in using such symbols, especially in war time.
Why aren't Ukrainians using Norse or Mongol. . . or Ukrainian warrior symbols instead?
Why are you attempting to excuse Ukraine's indisputable, long standing affinity for Nazis and Nazi symbols?
Nazi symbols, including the notorious swastika, are largely associated with one thing - Nazism. Everyone knows that. And everyone knows what Nazism is, and what its symbols mean and what its basic tenets and "vibe" are. No one displays or wears a Nazi swastika, or SS Death's Head without knowing precisely what they stand for - no semiotics lesson required in order to extract their "true meanings,' nor is your pedantic explanation of what Nazism is required to "explain" what it "actually" is .
Then, of course, let's look at the fact that the most sadistic, strident and psychopathic Nazi death camp guards were Ukrainians. They were legendary for their brutally against the Jews. Lithuanian guards were a close second.
Your last paragraph is another try at flipping reality on its head:"This harping on the use of Nazi symbols by small number of Ukrainians is nothing but an attempt to delegitimize the Ukrainian self-defense against a Russian invasion, the ones who are actually attempting to subjugate another ethic group for the benefit of their own ethnic group; in other word, the true Nazis."
So, because Russia invaded Ukraine after 100 years of strife between both nations including the mayhem and killing of ethnic Russians in parts of Ukraine in recent years; because Russia invaded Ukraine after a decade of provocation by NATO and leftist/globalists who affected a coup there in 2014, Russia is "Nazi?" Aggressive? Yes. Was the invasion justified? That's debatable. Was the invasion Nazi-like? Nice try. . .
On Hitlers goals: Hitler's main goals were threefold: 1) Lebensraum for Germans 2) Avenging Versailles 3)Achieving "racial purity" (whatever the eff that meant) in his country. Murdering Jews was a means to that end. Evil beyond belief but the difference between why Hitler murdered Jews and why Ukrainians did is enormous: Hitler killed Jews as a means towards an end. On the other hand, account after account shows that Ukrainian guards in German-run death camps tortured and murdered Jews simply for sport and sadistic pleasure.
Please explain that statement and while you're at it, explain how this "enemy of all mankind" is materially, negatively affecting your life, impoverishing you or chipping away at your Constitutional rights in America.
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Remember that Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka, a Nazi death camp, was John Demjanjuk, who was a Ukranian.
And then there were the brutal "Trawniki Men" who were mostly Ukrainians.
From a book on the subject: "The Trawniki concentration camp in Poland was used by the SS to train more than 5,000 men in the execution of mass murder. Of these 5,000, most were eastern Europeans recruited from POW camps, including a large Ukrainian contingent. “Trawnikis” were distributed throughout the concentration camp system, with particular prominence in the extermination camps of Aktion Reinhard. Trawnikis formed the firing squads during Ghetto liquidations, operated gas chambers, and carried out various other violent tasks deemed burdensome by German planners. "
Notably, in Israel, Russian propaganda claims that Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis have sparked not just firm government level rejection but also considerable public outrage. Russia’s Nazi claims provoke outrage in Israel: Here’s what you need to know.
So the Ukrainians today are subhuman “Nazis” because of the crimes of their ancestors 80 years ago, but we should forget about the crimes of the Russians, both then and now. Why not a equal horror about the deeds of the Soviets against the Ukrainians? Do not look at the past, but at the present. Today it is the Russians who are attempting to subjugate another nation, destroying cities and leave death in their wake. But I guess that does not count because of what happened 80 years ago.
Because you are an fascist amoral monster. I am not surprised.
Who's forgetting about Russia's past crimes? Certainly not me - we all know the history of Stalin's purges against his own people, his murderous rampages and his creation of the gulag system. I have read Solzhenitsyn. . .
Yes, Russia is trying to "subjugate another nation," and a simple question must be asked: Why? The answers to that question are complex. An honest observer of the situation would have to conclude that to be the case. Yet some folks here on FR blather on about how Putin's the second coming of Hitler, a madman intent on the conquest of Europe and world domination. That's a mighty ignorant point of view.
Nice try at defending the indefensible.
I believe nothing put forth by any intelligence agency anywhere in the world. All of them are enemies of truth, directed by globalist pigs, spreaders of lies and propaganda designed to further the nefarious goals of those who fund them and cut their staff members’ checks.
During WW II, many Ukrainians embraced the Nazis for reasons both pragmatic and desperate in that they hated Soviet Communism for its brutal treatment of Ukraine and aligned with the Nazis as liberators -- at least when the Nazis permitted it. Putting aside Nazi ideology about the Ukrainians being racial inferiors, the German Army eventually recruited large numbers of Ukrainian prisoners and civilians to fight against the Russians, with starvation often the alternative.
Ukraine is now a independent country and a parliamentary democracy under assault by Russia. In fighting the Russians, some Ukrainians have looked to history and embraced Nazi symbols and rhetoric, but there is no significant Nazi or neo-Nazi movement in Ukraine that aims to overthrow its government and replace it with a Nazi style government.
I'm too busy being concerned with thug leadership that is much closer to home.
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