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To: CatHerd
This is a nasty war. Ukrainians have been shelling residential areas in the LDNR killing women and children since 2014 — about 14,000 killed inside the LDNR, around 10,000 of them civilians. The LDNR forces also shelled residential areas.

Oh sure. You are just "adding perspective", but then you repeat the old Russian propaganda lie about Ukrainians shelling residential areas and killing 14,000 "women and children".

That's an utter lie, and it has been debunked multiple times.

Do you get an extra serving of borscht for working late?

62 posted on 06/28/2023 6:31:38 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

I didn’t say 14,000 women and chidren. I wrote “around 10,000”. Now who’s lying? I would normally think and say you were mistaken, but I’ve noticed that those who are quick to accuse others of lying are themselves liars.

But I did goof. There were 10,000 civilian casualties in the Donbass, not 10,000 deaths. Breakdown is “at least 7,000” civilians injured and over 3,000 civilian deaths, according to the UN.

Go look at the OSCE reports. They are quite fair and accurate. Yes, the Ukrainians shelled residential and civilian shopping areas, etc. From pro-Ukraine news sources:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/civilians-killed-injured-donetsk-ukraine-shelling

From pro-West Human Rights Watch:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/09/01/ukraine-rising-civilian-toll-luhansk

Why do you think your Ukrainians are perfect angels?

Did you notice I said the LNDR rebels also shelled residential areas? At least I am fair and don’t pretend one side is all angels and the other all devils. War is hell.


66 posted on 06/28/2023 7:08:24 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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