I didn’t say 14,000 women and chidren. I wrote “around 10,000”. Now who’s lying? I would normally think and say you were mistaken, but I’ve noticed that those who are quick to accuse others of lying are themselves liars.
But I did goof. There were 10,000 civilian casualties in the Donbass, not 10,000 deaths. Breakdown is “at least 7,000” civilians injured and over 3,000 civilian deaths, according to the UN.
Go look at the OSCE reports. They are quite fair and accurate. Yes, the Ukrainians shelled residential and civilian shopping areas, etc. From pro-Ukraine news sources:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/civilians-killed-injured-donetsk-ukraine-shelling
From pro-West Human Rights Watch:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/09/01/ukraine-rising-civilian-toll-luhansk
Why do you think your Ukrainians are perfect angels?
Did you notice I said the LNDR rebels also shelled residential areas? At least I am fair and don’t pretend one side is all angels and the other all devils. War is hell.
That's what you said. And now you claim you said something different. You are now saying that the OSCE reports said "over 3,000" civilian deaths. Since when is 14,000 or even 10,000 the same as 3,000?
Why do you post fake information?
The UN published in a report as of December 2021
During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021, OHCHR recorded a total of 3,106 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,852 men, 1,072 women, 102 boys, 50 girls, and 30 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 deaths on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,404
In most of the years after 2014 the largest number of deaths resulted from accidents with mines or unexploded ordnance.
Of course none of those civilians would have died from war if Russia had not armed and led the fighting in the LNR and DNR, or shot down an airliner full of innocent people.