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To: woodpusher
Finally - whatever be the state of the NY sun, do you dispute the statements in the article?

1. a Russian presidential plane took off from the capital at 2:15 p.m. local time. It flew in the direction of President Putin’s native St. Petersburg until disappearing from radar at 3:06 p.m., according to Flight Radar --> Flight radar's data showing clearly that this happened -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's special Il96-300PU aircraft took off from Moscow’s Vnukovo Airport to St. Petersburg at 14:16 Moscow time,

Do you, wladpusher, dispute that statement?

2. Dmitry Peskov claimed Putin was working at the Kremlin -- are you claiming Peskov didn't say that?

3. "A Russian air force attack on the mutineers was a fiasco. Soldiers from the Wagner mercenary group shot down six helicopters and one Ilyushin IL-18 airborne command center. The combined shootdowns killed 30 Russian airmen. Debris from one falling helicopter set ablaze the oil depot of Voronezh." --> those are stated by the Russian official media as well as in Putin's speech "condemning the mutineers" - are you claiming that did not happen?

4. “There has not been such a tragedy in the history of our aviation for a long time,” a Russian TV presenter, Vladimir Solovyov, lamented Saturday night. “How many aircraft have we lost today? What is this?” ---> are you, wladpusher, claiming that Solovyov didn't say this?

5. "In Voronezh, the “Wagnerites” took control of local military facilities." --> this is also verified in many sources. Do you claim this didn't happen?

6. "The 277th Parachute Regiment switched sides." -- this is verified by only one other source, yet they were based in Voronezh and didn't fight - so seems plausible. Are you claiming this didn't happen?

7. Prigozhin's statement - do you say he didn't say that

and so on and so on -- whatever the source may be, the facts hold up -- or do you have other facts from the Kremlin?

27 posted on 06/27/2023 1:37:24 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Finally - whatever be the state of the NY sun, do you dispute the statements in the article?

I did not even refer to the irrelevant statements you raise as a distraction.

What I stated, and which has gone without response, despite your extended word salads, is below. I bolded the major point so you can't miss it this time.

Had Prigozhin not stopped his parade, just what was he going to do when he got to Moscow? He had about 60 vehicles with a few thousand men, reportedly armed with shovels. As Prigozhin himself complained, he was always running out of ammunition. Of the 50,000 men he brought to the SMO, Ukraine had already killed 75,000, captured no less than 10,000 as prisoners, and there were untold deserters. An inept group, they spent months and months and months trying to subdue the small and insignificant village of Artyomovsk. Moscow is the largest city in all Europe, by area and population. The urban area has 18M people and covers more than 2,000 sq mi. Just the city police number over 50,000. Prigozhin's small force would not have survived a weekend in Chiraq. Moscow had arranged for the Chechen Army to set up a welcoming committee. Prigozhin's parade does not add up to an actual assault force to attack a major city.

103 posted on 06/27/2023 8:01:00 PM PDT by woodpusher
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