Posted on 06/26/2023 7:42:38 PM PDT by Reno89519
Unless they actually faked his voice, he did.
Trump’s team could call for a mistrial om that, mabey.
He had been horribly persecuted. He also may have slipped up. His mouth gets him into trouble sometimes.
2. When was MSM ever correct when trying to destroy Trump? List the occurrences. Don't bother you can't.
3. The DOJ just committed an illegal act by distributing the edited (to DOJ’s satisfaction, BTW) tape and thereby poisoning the jury pool.
4. Esper and all the other arrogant Deep State SOBs are just that SOBs doing what SOBs do. Therefore, they have little or no credibility. Why do I say that? Because Trump kept us out of wars such as Ukraine, was very effective in handling Isis and Syria in a matter of months. Trump minimized the loss of blood in Afghanistan (no deaths in the last 18 months of his Administration). He managed Iran with deadly precision. He managed North Korea with great aplomb. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem against the advice of the Deep State Know-it-Alls. Finally, Trump got the Abraham Accords in place between Israel, the UAE and Bahrain. I won't even bother bringing up Europe and NATO.
So go ahead Mr. Easy Mark, trust the DOJ’s/FBI's illegal leak, especially in light of the DOJs and FBI's past history with Trump.
Funny how Biden, the A-hole in Chief stole classified documents while in the Senate and as VP, stored them illegally in a garage, in China Town and wherever else and the DOJ & FBI do NOTHING! But keep on dumping on Trump, Mr. Easy Mark.
Conservative Treehouse has done more work on this that you have. It is claimed that no one has the document that Trump refers to. No document. No case.
As I have written elsewhere. No one has the document. No document. No case. Reno is bending over backward to discredit Trump while boosting De Santis. It won’t work.
The fact they don’t have that document doesn’t mean they have no case. As far as I can tell, the document mentioned in the tape is not one of the 31 documents he was charged over. In fact, none of the actual charges seems to relate to that tape. I think the tape is included to try to establish mens rea and intent. Mens rea literally means “guilty mind”, and I think they are using the tape to try to establish that Trump knew he had classified documents and knew he did not have the ability to declassify them. I think they want to use the tape to show that he was knowingly sharing national defense information with people not authorized to have access, demonstrating intent. Not having the actual document is a problem, but since they have not charged him with having that document, they don’t have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt - they want to introduce it to put the thought in the juror’s minds that can influence their decisions on the other charges.
“Are you laboring under the psychotic delusion that professional affirmative action government bureaucratic parasites should have final authority over what is classified/declassified?”
The way the charges are written, whether the documents were declassified or not is immaterial. He is not charged with mishandling classified documents. He is charged with possessing national defense information and refusing to return it when asked. That’s why he was only charged over 31 of the 102 classified documents the FBI recovered during the raid. I assume the remaining 71 documents did not contain national defense information. The statute does not require national defense information be classified for it to be illegal to possess without authorization, so they don’t have to prove the documents were still classified. They could even stipulate that Trump declassified them and the charges would still be valid according to the statute.
The classification of the documents included in the actual charges is immaterial. All they have to prove is that they contained national defense information, not that the documents were classified.
That document isn’t one of the ones he’s being charged for. The audio is relevant because it appears to show Trump admitting he still had classified docs (that he never declassified), and he was willing to show that type of information to others. Certainly not enough to convict on its own, but dangerous to Trump’s alibi.
Some of the ironies here are that he may be overcharged for the espionage act, but is actually guilty of the Presidential Records Act, which he keeps falsely claiming is somehow protecting him. That carries a cvil penalty rather than a criminal one, and may be how the judge actually rules in the end to put it all to rest.
Trump was not charged with espionage and he was not charged with taking or possessing classified documents. He was charged with possessing national defense information and refusing to return it. Whether or not Trump declassified the documents listed in the charges, if they contained national defense information , he no longer had authorization to possess it after he left office. If he refused to return it when asked, that seems fall under the statute under which he was charged.
As for Trump not returning the documents, he and his lawyers were going back and forth with the Biden administration and even complying with their requests. In any case, there are no PRA charges - basically because the PRA can be used to charge. There is no remedy. However, the PRA is the more specific law, and Trump’s lawyers will argue that the PRA is more specific and is applicable over the more general espionage act charges. Whether that works or not is another story. The entire situation is politically fubar.
None of it is legitimate, and you know it.
Go and read the actual charges in the indictment and find one that mentions classified documents or espionage. They don’t have to prove the documents were classified or that Trump was engaged in espionage to prove the charges.
All I am saying is that all of the people proclaiming that Trump was able to declassify the documents, as if that blows the case out of the water, are barking up the wrong tree. If Trump wants to beat the charges he has to either prove that the documents did not contain national defense information; or, prove that he was somehow authorized to possess the documents despite him no longer being president; or, find some precedent that would demonstrate that the statute cannot be applied against a former president. That the charges are completely political does not change the fact that there could be real legal peril here, and whether or not the documents were classified at the time will not change that one way or another.
Ferinner? 🤔
That is part of 18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 - Espionage and Censorship, aka espionage act.
Since I looked that up, I was reading the indictment yet again, and each time I read it, I see legal holes that you can drive a truck thru.
Understand, that a lot of things mentioned in the indictment will not be entered into evidence. Smith pierced attorney-client privilege for instance. That’s a scum bag move and will be challenged.
Also there are two counts detail where Trump supposedly showed national defense related documents. One goes along with the audio recording. The other is supposedly a map, that Trump told the person to not look at closely at the map.
What we have heard from Trump and his attorneys is that they never found the Iran attack plan that goes along with the audio recording. I suspect Jack Smith does not have the document, and the audio doesn’t prove a damn thing. That’s just plain weak. But Jack Smith leaked the audio recording to CNN. That’s prosecutorial misconduct. Smith is a dirt bag and has a history of doing exactly this type of crap and losing. The indictment is full of sulfurous crap. To me that signals a weak case and Jack Smith is stretching the facts and the law to fit the stretched facts. Look at page 10 of the indictment and the photograph on that page. The money quote from that is, "TRUMP’s boxes were for a time stacked on the ballroom’s stage, as depicted in the photograph below (redacted to obscure an individual’s identity). That sounds more like the FBI staged the photo to me.
I don’t know if you recall after the Mar-a-Logo raid that a whole bunch of photos were leaked to the media. They certainly looked like they were staged to me. The FBI is full of degenerate scumbags that don’t hesitate to ‘shape’ a crime scene. It happens all the time. The photos in the indictment seemed to be intentionally staged to shape public opinion and to taint a jury pool. That goes along with regular leaks to the media.
The bottom line for any prosecutor is the evidence that he presents has to be credible. More so than that, the prosecutor has to be credible. I know Jack Smith is not credible and the source of some of his evidence, the FBI, is not credible. There isn’t a single decent and credible agent in the entire FBI. At a minimum they are all complicit in their silence about civil rights abuses against American citizens perpetrated by other FBI agents. They are absolute crossdressing filth, just like J. Edgar. That’s their eff’n culture. (Of course that’s a bit hyperbolic, but it demonstrates my lack of trust. There is absolutely nothing they can do to gain my trust.)
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