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'You're not God': Doctors and patient families say HCA hospitals push hospice care
NBC ^ | 06/21/2023 | Gretchen Morgenson

Posted on 06/24/2023 2:01:37 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina

As Marisol Perez fought for her life in a Texas hospital in autumn 2021, her mother, Alma Salas, sat with her every day praying. Perez, then 42, had such a virulent case of Covid and pneumonia that doctors at St. David’s North Austin Medical Center, an HCA Healthcare facility, had put her on a ventilator and into a coma to try to save her.

Salas said she believed her daughter would pull through, but doctors and nurses at the hospital kept telling her otherwise. Over 10 days in October, less than a month after Perez entered St. David’s, Salas received repeated visits from a palliative care nurse, her hospital record shows. Every other day, Salas said, the nurse urged her to initiate end-of-life care for her daughter. Several of Perez’s doctors also pressed Salas to remove her daughter from the ventilator, she said, in visits confirmed by details from Perez’s chart.

On one occasion, six or seven doctors and nurses gathered around Perez’s bed, Salas said. "We really feel it is in the best interests of your daughter to let her go," she recalled one doctor telling her.

Salas held firm. “I don’t have the authority to take anyone’s life,” she said she told them.

A month later, St. David’s discharged Perez, her chart shows. She went on to make a full recovery.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: hospice; palliativecare
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Whenever you're in the hospital make sure you have an advocate,
1 posted on 06/24/2023 2:01:37 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: TexasKamaAina

“COVID and Pneumonia” — I read that as “pneumonia”.
“put her in a coma” — I read that as “do not resist us”.
“Ventilator” — I read that as “they tried to kill her”
“take her off” — I read that as “not dying fast enough, let’s euthanize her”
“discharged ... full recovery” — I read that as “Oops, another one got away from us”.


2 posted on 06/24/2023 2:07:19 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not a government. It's a criminal enterprise. Fear it, but do not respect it.)
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To: TexasKamaAina
Good information and patient advocate documents here: OurPatientRights
3 posted on 06/24/2023 2:16:00 PM PDT by Oorang (Politicians:-a feeble band of lowly reptiles who shun the light and who lurk in their own dens. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

You’re fluent in PharmaSpeak!


4 posted on 06/24/2023 2:22:45 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (“Killer rabbit jokes have a long tradition in medieval literature.“ - Dr. James Wade)
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To: TexasKamaAina

You are correct. An advocate is required.

But here is the thing HCA doesn’t want you to know. In the past HCA has strongly pushed with the force of economic threats to med staff to get hospice aboard prior to compassionate wean from life support.

The reason is that this allows the hospital to “discharge” the patient and have the patient admitted to a contract bed and admitted to hospice. Thus, when the patient passes it is not considered a hospital death and does not impact hospital mortality which is a major index of quality.

It’s pure data manipulation and disgusting from my perspective. The first question for any advocate is are the physicians treating the patient employed by the hospital or independent medical staff.


5 posted on 06/24/2023 2:29:05 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: gas_dr

That is a good point.
Are any Docs in a hospital anymore independent?
Scary when the hospital and Docs don’t have YOUR best interests at heart


6 posted on 06/24/2023 2:38:52 PM PDT by RWGinger (LGB)
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To: TexasKamaAina
This is what our hospitals are, today.

We have way too many doctors like these.

I would make mincemeat of such doctors—figures that it's Austin.

Contacting major media outlets would just be the start. I would contact lawyers to exploit any other opportunity.

She made a full recovery, and seven at one time demanded her to die!

Effin’ doctors.

7 posted on 06/24/2023 2:39:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

They are more concerned about which sex you were ‘assigned’ at birth, and what pronouns you prefer to use...


8 posted on 06/24/2023 2:43:46 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: ConservativeMind

I’d picket outside the hospital and outside their homes.

Of course, I’d use a good sunscreen or winter coat, depending on the season.


9 posted on 06/24/2023 2:44:47 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

‘Another CHECK got away from us...’


10 posted on 06/24/2023 2:44:55 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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Know your rights and have someone who can be your advocate.

Consider information in post #3.

Don’t let a mob of doctors kill you, unless that is what you choose.

11 posted on 06/24/2023 2:50:32 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: TexasKamaAina

A stunning, urgent and important post! Great job, great share.

We all need to learn about trusted advocacy, our rights and the law.

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12 posted on 06/24/2023 2:55:29 PM PDT by RitaOK (WE ARE OCCUPIED. imo.... Now. the USSA, until WE FIGHT)
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"Whenever you're in the hospital make sure you have an advocate,"

I went through something similar many years ago with my father. He had a diabetic incident and was in a "vegetative state". I was told he would never come out of it, and did I really want to feed him.

yes

But he'll never come out of this and could live another 20 years!

Feed him. If God wants him you won't be able to keep him here. 10 days later I walked in and said "hi dad" and he answered "hi". I laughed and said "You're back!" He lived another 2 years.

13 posted on 06/24/2023 2:55:50 PM PDT by Grammy (When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TexasKamaAina

Especially in Texas where (if memory serves) hospital ethic boards have extraordinary powers to object to and gainsay the wishes of the patient and family.


14 posted on 06/24/2023 3:16:31 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: lastchance

A friend went to the Covid floor in the hospital after they took his wife there against both their wills and took her out to his truck in a wheelchair. She had a co-morbidity and was there for an outpatient procedure. She was fine at home.
She died last year from her disease.


15 posted on 06/24/2023 3:25:38 PM PDT by TStro (Better to die on your feet than live on your knees)
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To: TexasKamaAina

Nowadays hospitals have a contingent of social workers that are like tour guides for the grim reaper.


16 posted on 06/24/2023 3:26:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan (Conservatism's last hope, last recourse, in fact last expedient, against the libertarian hordes)
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To: gas_dr

Gaming the metrics.

Universities game the metrics in rankings and admissions.

Corporations game the metrics in ESG.

Government and military game the metrics on DEI.

It’s a big industry, gaming the metrics.

I watched our K-8 parish school playing the metrics to be a Blue Ribbon School of Excellence. Didn’t change the school, but a lot of paperwork was committed.

I taught my daughter how to game the metric on the SAT writing portion. Didn’t make her a better writer.

The metrics cult runs deep deep deep. It’s objective! It’s equitable! and hospitals aren’t the only place it takes lives.

Bloody bureaucrats.


17 posted on 06/24/2023 3:28:25 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: TexasKamaAina

So much for HCA doctors claiming they, and they alone, determine what is best for the patients. The wife worked for HCA once and knew damned well that homosexual corporation illegally practices medicine.


18 posted on 06/24/2023 3:44:20 PM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: TexasKamaAina

To be fair, this is not just HCA. During my work as a patient advocate in 2021 it was happening everywhere


19 posted on 06/24/2023 4:24:43 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: CodeToad

Do we know if anyone besides the tax payer was paying for the hospital stay?


20 posted on 06/24/2023 4:27:34 PM PDT by angry elephant (Been with Trump since huge 2016 Washington state rally in May.)
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