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End game in the Ukraine war approaches with lightning speed
Doctorow ^ | 20 June 23 | Gilbert

Posted on 06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT by delta7

Today Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made an announcement that has not yet been carried in Western media but which is of the most grave nature.

According to the latest intelligence reports, Russia believes that the Ukrainian armed forces now intend to cover their failed counter-offensive in the Donbas by using US-supplied Himars multiple launch artillery and UK-supplied Storm Shadow cruise missiles, possibly in the longer range domestic version, to attack the Crimea.

If this happens, says Shoigu, Russia will consider both the United States and Britain to have fully entered the war as co-belligerents. And Russia will immediately respond to any such attack on its territory by destroying “the decision making centers” of the Kiev regime. This is a fairly transparent threat to “neutralize” their government apparatus and personnel, logically including President Zelensky.

The statement by Shoigu leaves little doubt that we are entering the final phase of the Ukraine war as a war limited to the geography of Ukraine, and are possibly heading into a wider war with unforeseeable consequences both for Europeans and (finally) for Americans.

The ball is in the court of Washington and London.

©Gilbert Doctorow, 2023


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 10percent4thebigguy; agitprop; biglandholder; crimeaisukraine; demsunited4kickbacks; demsunitedforbribes; demsunitedforukraine; desperatepropaganda; war
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The beginning of the end? The West is forcing Vlad to take off the gloves. The Wagner mercenaries uprising against the Russian military leadership insures Mercenaries usage will be curtailed, if not eliminated….putting further pressure on Vlad….

Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.

1 posted on 06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

* do not confuse an uprising against the military leadership with Vlads leadership.


2 posted on 06/24/2023 10:02:46 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Putin is not so stupid as to expand the war beyond Ukraine as that would end him.

However he is not beyond using tactical nukes in Kiev if Ukraine threatens Russian territory.


3 posted on 06/24/2023 10:04:49 AM PDT by KingofZion
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To: delta7

>Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.

This is why the Wagner hole was created - Russians will allow mobilization because the fear of civil war is much greater than the fear of NATO.


4 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:25 AM PDT by struggle
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To: delta7
Likely, it is the beginning of the end of Putin's adventure in Ukraine.

The Wagner insurrection makes it difficult to keep it all together when the Army has been stalled in or on the Ukrainian border for 16 months.

5 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: delta7

WW III starts this weekend.


6 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:51 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: delta7

At least during the Soviet era Russian leaders understood the concept of MAD.


7 posted on 06/24/2023 10:07:49 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: delta7

This should come as no surprise to anyone. I have said since day one of this that if it were me and someone was supplying my enemy with armaments, they, too would be my enemy.


8 posted on 06/24/2023 10:07:55 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: delta7

Putin could not win a war with a relatively poor and militarily weak country on his doorstep, to he is going to up the ante by engaging the U.S. and Britain. Even Putin is not that insane.


9 posted on 06/24/2023 10:09:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If Kitty Genovese had a gun, she’d be in jail today.)
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To: outofsalt

Kamala is briefing Biden right now. “Russia is a big country. Ukraine is a small country...”


10 posted on 06/24/2023 10:09:37 AM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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To: bk1000

Remember the Lusitania.


11 posted on 06/24/2023 10:09:53 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: delta7

Wars are peculiar things. They teach us in school that this-or-that war began on X date because of Y and ended on Z date. This has almost never been the case. WWI, for example was predated by a number of smaller wars taking place in Africa and the Balkans. Think of a tornado. Everyone focuses on the tornado. But the real cause of the tornado is the collision of two air masses with opposite characteristics. The tornado can occur anywhere along the demarcation line. Everyone focuses on the obvious storm, but the actual cause could have made the storm occur anywhere along the contact zone.

Then, WWI “ended” on the eleventh hour of the eleventh month. Well, no. It continued to the north of Germany and in Russia and Poland and sparked lots of other conflicts. The war in Ukraine might “end” but the fighting is going to go on for a long time. As Russia gets weaker the various republics, who are getting a bad deal as Russian states, will probably make a play for independence. There will be a lot of wars and a long time before there is a general peace in the region.


12 posted on 06/24/2023 10:10:25 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: delta7
Somewhat analogous to the Titan submersible at depth.
13 posted on 06/24/2023 10:12:38 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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Putin is not so stupid as to expand the war beyond Ukraine as that would end him.

Actually, what Russia is saying is in the case of Ukraine using weapons supplied by America and Great Briton to offensively attack Russia territory; That is an act of war by America and Great Briton against Russia. Russia would retaliate which would be an all out war between the west and Russia. What do you think China and India would do if that happens? I suspect China would jump in against us with everything they have. India would ether stay neutral or could side with Russia. Seems to me this is what biden and the deep state want.
14 posted on 06/24/2023 10:12:53 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: AlaskaErik
At least during the Soviet era Russian leaders understood the concept of MAD.

And I thought we did to.
15 posted on 06/24/2023 10:14:13 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: delta7

Putin is thinking to himself:

Everything was going to well, until I stupidly decided to invade Ukraine. Why did nobody stop me? And who suggested hat I go in; I’m going to find him and kiil him. Where’s the escape tunnel?


16 posted on 06/24/2023 10:15:20 AM PDT by adorno
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To: delta7

Shoigu

Sounds to me like this guy is hitting the cornered animal panic button.


17 posted on 06/24/2023 10:17:42 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: delta7

How many times have we heard this is the end game!


18 posted on 06/24/2023 10:20:48 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: delta7

Crimea is part of Ukraine. Any Russian forces present in Ukraine are legitimate war targets.


19 posted on 06/24/2023 10:22:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: JoSixChip

I wonder how much time there might be between a declaration of Defcon 2 and then Defcon 1?

I am wondering but do not wish to know.


20 posted on 06/24/2023 10:24:08 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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