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End game in the Ukraine war approaches with lightning speed
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| 20 June 23
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Posted on 06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT by delta7
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The beginning of the end? The West is forcing Vlad to take off the gloves. The Wagner mercenaries uprising against the Russian military leadership insures Mercenaries usage will be curtailed, if not eliminated….putting further pressure on Vlad….
Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT
by
delta7
To: delta7
* do not confuse an uprising against the military leadership with Vlads leadership.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:02:46 AM PDT
by
delta7
To: delta7
Putin is not so stupid as to expand the war beyond Ukraine as that would end him.
However he is not beyond using tactical nukes in Kiev if Ukraine threatens Russian territory.
To: delta7
>Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.
This is why the Wagner hole was created - Russians will allow mobilization because the fear of civil war is much greater than the fear of NATO.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:05:25 AM PDT
by
struggle
To: delta7
Likely, it is the beginning of the end of Putin's adventure in Ukraine.
The Wagner insurrection makes it difficult to keep it all together when the Army has been stalled in or on the Ukrainian border for 16 months.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:05:35 AM PDT
by
marktwain
To: delta7
WW III starts this weekend.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:05:51 AM PDT
by
outofsalt
(If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
To: delta7
At least during the Soviet era Russian leaders understood the concept of MAD.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:07:49 AM PDT
by
AlaskaErik
(There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
To: delta7
This should come as no surprise to anyone. I have said since day one of this that if it were me and someone was supplying my enemy with armaments, they, too would be my enemy.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:07:55 AM PDT
by
bk1000
(Banned from Breitbart)
To: delta7
Putin could not win a war with a relatively poor and militarily weak country on his doorstep, to he is going to up the ante by engaging the U.S. and Britain. Even Putin is not that insane.
To: outofsalt
Kamala is briefing Biden right now. “Russia is a big country. Ukraine is a small country...”
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:09:37 AM PDT
by
Deo volente
("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
To: bk1000
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:09:53 AM PDT
by
lightman
(I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
To: delta7
Wars are peculiar things. They teach us in school that this-or-that war began on X date because of Y and ended on Z date. This has almost never been the case. WWI, for example was predated by a number of smaller wars taking place in Africa and the Balkans. Think of a tornado. Everyone focuses on the tornado. But the real cause of the tornado is the collision of two air masses with opposite characteristics. The tornado can occur anywhere along the demarcation line. Everyone focuses on the obvious storm, but the actual cause could have made the storm occur anywhere along the contact zone.
Then, WWI “ended” on the eleventh hour of the eleventh month. Well, no. It continued to the north of Germany and in Russia and Poland and sparked lots of other conflicts. The war in Ukraine might “end” but the fighting is going to go on for a long time. As Russia gets weaker the various republics, who are getting a bad deal as Russian states, will probably make a play for independence. There will be a lot of wars and a long time before there is a general peace in the region.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:10:25 AM PDT
by
Gen.Blather
(Wait! I said that out loud? )
To: delta7
Somewhat analogous to the Titan submersible at depth.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:12:38 AM PDT
by
palmer
(Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
To: KingofZion
Putin is not so stupid as to expand the war beyond Ukraine as that would end him.
Actually, what Russia is saying is in the case of Ukraine using weapons supplied by America and Great Briton to offensively attack Russia territory; That is an act of war by America and Great Briton against Russia. Russia would retaliate which would be an all out war between the west and Russia. What do you think China and India would do if that happens? I suspect China would jump in against us with everything they have. India would ether stay neutral or could side with Russia. Seems to me this is what biden and the deep state want.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:12:53 AM PDT
by
JoSixChip
(2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
To: AlaskaErik
At least during the Soviet era Russian leaders understood the concept of MAD.
And I thought we did to.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:14:13 AM PDT
by
JoSixChip
(2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
To: delta7
Putin is thinking to himself:
Everything was going to well, until I stupidly decided to invade Ukraine. Why did nobody stop me? And who suggested hat I go in; I’m going to find him and kiil him. Where’s the escape tunnel?
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:15:20 AM PDT
by
adorno
To: delta7
Shoigu
Sounds to me like this guy is hitting the cornered animal panic button.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:17:42 AM PDT
by
Sequoyah101
(Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
To: delta7
How many times have we heard this is the end game!
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:20:48 AM PDT
by
caww
(O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
To: delta7
Crimea is part of Ukraine. Any Russian forces present in Ukraine are legitimate war targets.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:22:33 AM PDT
by
taxcontrol
(The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
To: JoSixChip
I wonder how much time there might be between a declaration of Defcon 2 and then Defcon 1?
I am wondering but do not wish to know.
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posted on
06/24/2023 10:24:08 AM PDT
by
citizen
(Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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