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Supreme Court rules 5-4 against Navajo Nation in water rights dispute
SCOTUS Blog ^ | June 22, 2023 | Matthew L.M. Fletcher

Posted on 06/23/2023 10:25:38 AM PDT by CedarDave

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To: moovova
We've had very few "nice" days in SE Idaho this Spring. It never really warmed up. Lots of rain and t-storms every day. The whole period of days getting longer has been lost to rain/t-storms. We even had frost on the first day of Summer. I've been trying to get my ham HF antennas up and tuned. My workday is nominally 8 AM to 5 PM. By the time the workday is over, the t-storms are in full bloom. You don't do antenna work with lightning strikes 2 to 10 miles away. It's Friday. I worked excessive hours this week and really could have taken the day off. 1 PM and the first lightning strikes are 3 miles away.

I waited all Winter for temperatures to get above 50F so that I could swap out the stock dual sport wheels/tires on my Suzuki DR650 for a set of 17 inch supermoto tires with proper street tires. That work is complete, but the rain/t-storms have also stolen opportunity to enjoy the fruits of that labor.

41 posted on 06/23/2023 12:24:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: moovova

I read the other day that CA’s largest reservoir is at 99%, now. I was wondering how Lake Mead was doing and other lakes in the southwest.

The Agenda 21 proposes that he who controls the water, controls everything. The Pacific Northwest took this to heart in the early nineties, when the signed on to the original Agenda 21, by taking the issue to court (all the way to the Supreme Court) with the Lummi Tribe. They claimed that an old treaty which gave the as much salmon and as much water as they needed meant that they could have all the water. The Supreme Court turned it down.

They took it back to the SupremeCourt, while there was a vacancy after Scalia’s death and got a 4-4 ruling which sent it back to the state, where the same attorney, who originally lost the case to the Supreme Court, was now on the WA State Supreme Court, gave the water rights to the tribes, nullifying the water rights on all private property in unincorporated areas of the state. So far, they have only enforced that in Whatcom County.

This relates to the Navaho case because it rains in WA. It rains a lot. It doesn’t rain in the deserts of the Southwest, so need is at question. In WA, they want to tear down the dams, which supply the cheapest, most reliable form of power there is. Those dams were not originally built for electricity, that was a bonus. Those dams were built for flood control. WA gets too much rain and has melting glaciers, which add to the water rushing through the state, supplying all the water the tribes need. Yet, they have taken away our water rights.


42 posted on 06/23/2023 12:27:26 PM PDT by Eva
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Americans came and conquered the land. Might is right. As simple as that. It's done with.

I feel much the same. This article is about Navajo and I, admittedly, don't know much about their history. In Alabama when a friend who has some Cherokee in him says, "You whites stole our land from us" he already knows my reply is going to be, "That's right. We stole land that you Cherokee stole fair and square from the Muskogee." LOL

Sometimes I remind him that he's speaking to a member of a displaced people. The first time I said it he said, "Huh?" So I pointed out that the Germanic Anglo and Saxon tribes were displaced from modern day Germany two cooling periods ago (Dark Age) when the Huns displaced other Germanic tribes (Goths) and forced them into modern day Germany (which displaced the Anglos, forcing them north into Denmark). Some say the second Anglo move shortly after that into Britannia was also a displacement after the Huns moved into Denmark, but I haven't seen enough evidence to make up my mind on that part.

The point being that pretty much every race has been both the oppressor and the oppressed.

43 posted on 06/23/2023 12:43:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right
The point being that pretty much every race has been both the oppressor and the oppressed.

You would think Neil Gorsuch would recognize that. Now we're going down the rabbit hole as you've already pointed out.

44 posted on 06/23/2023 12:49:52 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: CedarDave

Oh, so this time the Great White Father wants to stick to what is written in the treaty. /s


45 posted on 06/23/2023 12:55:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: GingisK
Live someplace where it rains.

They did. Then they sided with the British against the Colonists and got sent out West instead of being shipped to Canada or England with the other losers.

46 posted on 06/23/2023 1:48:29 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

Yes, that is the sad truth. They’ve been screwed at every turn.


47 posted on 06/23/2023 2:27:07 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: CedarDave
The answer to water needs in the southwest is desal lining the west coast. Aqueducts sending water to Arizona, NM and Nevada. To the warmist who fear rising ocean levels, we can use and drink down the salt water. Gov Newsome has a hard on for Huntington Beach. They kept the beach open during his covid lockdown. So 6 months ago, his coastal commission denied HB a license to build a desal plant. Vote 11-0. The next day he bully-pulpited us about drought. A few years ago they approved one for Carlsbad, now operational. Cal no plan for water, no plan for power.
48 posted on 06/23/2023 2:28:41 PM PDT by coalminersson
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

49 posted on 06/23/2023 3:09:19 PM PDT by sloanrb
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To: Myrddin

A couple years ago, we had 90 days over 90 degrees up here on the panhandle. That was brutal. This cool spring weather with blue skies and no smoke is a Godsend!


50 posted on 06/23/2023 4:12:16 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“The decision was released as worldwide climate change has begun to dramatically dry up the desert southwest.”

Yup, the southwest is so dry from climate change that we had near record rain and snow last winter.


51 posted on 06/23/2023 4:18:13 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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The Navajos would be lots better off anyway, hiring their own experts rather than having the Feds do it for them.

Might cost them a few bucks up front, but in the long run, they will get a better deal.


52 posted on 06/23/2023 4:44:06 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: CedarDave

Glo-bull warming propaganda!


53 posted on 06/23/2023 6:22:29 PM PDT by Theophilus (flush the alphabet soup!)
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To: CedarDave

Wonderful.

The USSC, telling us what laws and contracts “really” mean as the conditions of the time warrant for 234 years.


54 posted on 06/23/2023 8:34:15 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I'm thankful for not choking on smoke this Summer. The fires in CA, WA and ID have made for very smoky Summers in recent years. We shut the doors and run an electrostatic air cleaner. The HEPA filter on the air conditioner helps too.
55 posted on 06/23/2023 10:31:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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