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Russian attack helicopters showed up in force on the front lines and have been putting dents in Ukraine's armored assaults
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | June 22nd, 2023 | Ryan Pickrell

Posted on 06/22/2023 3:40:27 PM PDT by Mariner

Ukraine's armed forces are gaining ground and pressing ahead with counteroffensive operations, but the Russians are putting up a fight and deploying aviation assets to the front lines in ways they haven't been until recently to blunt Ukrainian efforts to retake captured territory.

Ukrainian forces are pushing beyond the protection of some of their fixed air defenses without the kind of mobile air defenses they really need, and Russian attack helicopters, like the Ka-52 Alligators able to do damage with its 30mm cannon or anti-tank missiles, are emerging as a threat to Ukraine's ground forces that must be quickly engaged with air-defense missiles before they can eliminate its heavy armor, such as tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

Senior Ukrainian military officials have raised concerns about Russia's "aviation and artillery superiority" during the counteroffensive operations, which they have said are meeting "fierce fighting," and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told The BBC Wednesday the counteroffensive is currently moving "slower than desired."

In a recent intelligence update, Britain's defense ministry noted that "Russia has re-enforced its attack helicopter force in" southern Ukraine, giving the Russians an advantage in an area where tougher fights have been taking place.

A Ukrainian soldier told The Financial Times this week that Russian helicopter attacks on Ukraine's armored vehicles have proven to be a "very powerful technique" the Ukrainian forces have struggled to match with the capabilities available

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10percent4thebigguy; bidenswar; demsunitedforbribes; demsunitedforukraine; tothelastukrainian
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To: Reverend Wright

NATO is also desperately playing catch-up in Active Protection Systems (which the Israelis have been pointing out for years) and a few other areas.


21 posted on 06/22/2023 4:35:54 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jim Noble

Indeed. I seriously doubt Kiev can even muster sufficient forces to take practical advantage of any significant gains the UAF might happen to make. It’s a pitiful situation. A humanitarian disaster that Washington and London Deep State actors are ultimately responsible for instigating, but for which they will not countenance a reasonable solution to save further losses. May sanity be reinvented and appreciated again.

Note: Why even here is it almost like Trump-Russia was never exposed for what it really was? There is almost no appreciation even among Trump’s supporters for the role played by Hillary/McCain/Biden/Obama/Deep State Russiagate disinformation campaign in setting up the very bloody disaster that began unfolding yearly last year and continues to this day. It was never just about Trump. Yet almost none see.


22 posted on 06/22/2023 4:37:26 PM PDT by Palmetto State Conservative
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To: hinckley buzzard
More recent ones don't even have to expose the fuselage to fire on vehicular or low level airborne targets - they just stick their masthead sensor (on top of their rotor) over whatever cover or concealment they're hiding behind, locate the target, pitch backwards and salvo off guided munitions.


23 posted on 06/22/2023 4:40:37 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Petrosius
Take another look at the history. It was Ukraine that was petitioning to join NATO, and it was NATO that repeatedly said "no."

Was that before or after we overthrew the government and stuck a comedian in charge?

24 posted on 06/22/2023 5:03:45 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Casey DeSantis? No thanks. I've already voted for too many Bushes.)
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To: AAABEST

“Also, deploying them properly takes intel, lots of training, support, parts, institutional knowledge, dedicated units etc.”

We gave the mujahideen these weapons and they did a pretty good job against the Soviets.


25 posted on 06/22/2023 5:04:26 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("A republic, if you can keep it" Benjam Franklin.)
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To: Petrosius

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer


26 posted on 06/22/2023 5:09:15 PM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: The Iceman Cometh
Was that before or after we overthrew the government and stuck a comedian in charge?

Oh, stop with the Russian propaganda. Madian was a popular uprising and Yanukovych was removed from office by the democratically elected parliament after he fled the country. Additionally, Zelensky was elected by an overwhelming majority in a national election. But, of course, none of this matters to those who want to justify Russia's land-grab. For them Ukraine is properly a subject state to the new Russian empire and should have known how to behave.

27 posted on 06/22/2023 5:28:55 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“Ukraine is properly a subject state to the new Russian empire and should have known how to behave. “

Correct.

Ukraine is a Russian possession, and always has been.

And they will reassert that ownership.


28 posted on 06/22/2023 5:34:25 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The U.S. Army has known since at least 1972 that helicopters vs. tanks, choppers win. They have proven that time after time.
29 posted on 06/22/2023 5:35:50 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan ( )
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To: Petrosius

Do you really believe that this all started Feb of 2022, with no history?
That Russia could just “go home” and life would be sunshine and rainbows in eastern Ukrainian?


30 posted on 06/22/2023 5:38:55 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Mariner
Ukraine is a Russian possession, and always has been.

You really should read some history. Originally Moscow belonged to Kyiv, not the other way around. Then, after the Mongols, it was ruled by Poland-Lithuania from the 14th century. Eastern Ukraine did not come under Moscow's rule until the 17th century, and western Ukraine in the 18th. In the end, Ukraine belongs do no one except the Ukrainians; and they have made it quite clear that they do not wish to be ruled by Moscow.

31 posted on 06/22/2023 5:48:04 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: RedMonqey

But it’s all, mostly, failing here. Bradleys, tanks, anti armor, AAA, the money,l... all of it.

So tell me why. I don’t know everything.


32 posted on 06/22/2023 5:50:53 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: CapandBall
Do you really believe that this all started Feb of 2022, with no history?

No, it started in 2013 when Moscow tried to block the EU-Ukraine agreement. When this failed Moscow then invaded in 2014. The history has been Moscow's continued aggression against Ukraine, refusing to respect it as an independent state. The Russians just cannot accept that Ukraine is no longer a part of a greater Russia.

33 posted on 06/22/2023 5:52:13 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Nonsense. Ukraine is a former Soviets state, just like Russia. Both are founding constituent members of the USSR. Both corrupt sh*tholes, unworthy of our attention.
Stop idolizing Ukraine and let ‘em fight… all they want is our tax dollars.


34 posted on 06/22/2023 6:39:57 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Navy Patriot

They were sold to Islamic Terrorists all over the world who promised to return them to the USA.
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Hey, that is exactly what Kadyrov stated when taking Marioupol…but to be fair, he was quoted as thanking senile Joe and Allah for the gifts….many have already been found in African nations.

We will know when they reach here, our commercial jet (s) will be reported as “ fuel tank explosion”.


35 posted on 06/22/2023 6:44:52 PM PDT by delta7
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To: CapandBall
Nonsense. Ukraine is a former Soviets state, just like Russia.

The Soviet Union no longer exists. Ukraine joined it as an equal state as Russia, with the right to secede. This was recognized by the Soviet constitution. The modern Russian Federation was a member state of the Soviet Union, not the entire union itself. This, unfortunately, the Russians will not accept. They continue to have dreams of grandeur, viewing themselves as the continuation of the greater Russian empire. Those days are over. The Russians have no claims over the rule of Ukraine.

36 posted on 06/22/2023 6:47:35 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Madian was a popular uprising
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And what about the ethnic Russians herded into the Trade Center in Odessa and burnt alive?…by Neo Nazi’s.


37 posted on 06/22/2023 6:53:03 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Petrosius
Oh, stop with the Russian propaganda.

You may be right. CNN has long been know to propagate Russian propaganda

Sunday, in his interview with CNN, Obama admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”

38 posted on 06/22/2023 7:00:48 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Casey DeSantis? No thanks. I've already voted for too many Bushes.)
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To: delta7
And what about the ethnic Russians herded into the Trade Center in Odessa and burnt alive?…by Neo Nazi’s.

How about giving the full story? The violence started with the attack by the pro-Russians against the pro-Ukrainians. The Russians were not "herded" into the Trade Center, they occupied it by force. The fire most likely started accidentally when the two sides were throwing petro bombs at each other. But no, Russians propagandists must use hyperbole and portray the events as a fairy tale of peaceful Russians being rounded up and deliberately killed by blood thirsty "Neo Nazis." Anything to justify Russia's aggression.

39 posted on 06/22/2023 7:11:48 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Lion Den Dan

The Israelis changed that dynamic more than a bit with Trophy. Something the Army was a bit slow to realize until Syria.


40 posted on 06/22/2023 7:38:59 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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