Posted on 06/17/2023 12:56:29 PM PDT by Mariner
the war winning celebration
will be head chopping
throwing Jews - Christians
from tall buildings
Why do you want to prolong the death and destruction In Syria?
“If Russia cannot succeed in its offensive in Ukraine, it has much less chance against Poland and other EU states. It appears that offensive warfare is less effective than defensive warfare given current state-of-the art weapons systems. There is no possibility of some equivalent to a USSR Red Army thrust through the Fulda Gap to the Rhine.”
Without massive use of chemical and tactical nuclear weapons, the Russians would have little to no chance getting through Fulda and Hof.... Especially once the Abrams was fielded.
It is said that both 2nd and 11th ACR’s would have blunted the 8th Shock Army’s initial thrust to a point where their Operational Maneuver Group would have been committed before a breakthrough was achieved. By that time the heavy divisions of V and VII Corps would have been deployed in full and REFORGER would be in full swing.
They might have had an easier time on the northern German plain, but still would have been stopped well short of their objectives due to their rigid adherence to their set piece doctrine which doesn’t allow for junior field commanders to use innovative tactics to exploit defensive weaknesses.
Going back to REFORGER, the entire III Corps (1st Cav Div, 5th Inf Div, 2nd Armor Div, 212 FA Brigade, 3rd ACR) would be deployed.
V Corps would gain 4th Inf Div, 194th Armor Brigade, and 197th Inf Brigade.
VII Corps would gain 1st Infantry Div, 1st Canadian Div, 1/227 Aviation, and 228th Attack Helicopter Battalion.
The people running Joe Biden have decided to go all in in support of the Ukes. They dont care what you or I think. If we are going hellbent on supporting the Ukes, what would change the losing path they are currently on with our “help”?
Something radically different than the too little to late approach that the people running Joe Biden are currently following.
I am proposing game changing new approaches, maybe. Not an expert. Just have some unconventional thoughts here.
“It appears that offensive warfare is less effective than defensive warfare given current state-of-the art weapons systems. There is no possibility of some equivalent to a USSR Red Army thrust through the Fulda Gap to the Rhine.”
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I have no better insight than others, but I think we’re not far away from the time when Ukrainian forces begin to lay down their weapons. A lot of hopes were riding on this offensive, and if it’s not successful, I expect to see the Ukrainian army begin to melt, especially the conscripts. We’ve already seen isolated examples of men refusing to fight.
Once this starts, it’s over.
That’s why the next 6 months are extremely dangerous IMO, the is no Walter Cronkite on the news saying the war is lost and so far no Americans are dying, as this Ukrainian counteroffensive gets ground down the Neocons who have touted it will get desperate and that’s when they are the most dangerous
Apples and oranges. There are major differences between Ukraine and Afghanistan. Look at a map. Russia shares a 1,500 mile border with Ukraine. Logistically, it is far easier to support forces on the ground than in Afghanistan.
Russia shares centuries of close historical, cultural, economic, and linguistic ties with Ukraine. The current nine year war in Ukraine is more like a civil war. Russia has greater and more important strategic interests in Ukraine compared to Afghanistan. They have drawn the red line that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.
We spent 20 years in Afghanistan culminating in Biden’s humiliating exit that left thousands of American citizens behind. The Soviets left Afghanistan with far more dignity.
20. Stinger AA shoulder-fired missiles turned the tide of battle in favor of the Afghani resistance. The Russians reportedly lost about 65 mixed aircraft in a month or so, which forced them to bomb from higher and less accurate positions, denied the airborne Spaznat forces air cover for their mountain-top landings above the Resistance, and left armor on the ground exposed and with no air cover.
I had acquaintances who were there and reported this.
"The areas that Russia is taking are ethnically Russian and by huge margins support the Russian side."- - -
That is not true, as the following map and data testify:
https://twitter.com/BrilliantMaps/status/1498655743167315976
Electoral Geography:
https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/countries/u/ukraine/ukraine-independence-referendum-1991.html
You not say Ukraine weak!
RuSSia is a degenerate 3rd world shythole country. It cannot even make an automobile now. (Famous car reviewer making fun of the new Lada straight off the assembly line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fHnAbeLZb4&t=1026s)
Most of its weapons are filled with Western software and electronics. Or they WERE. And even then, they didn’t work as advertised just as always.
Every day more aid is pledged to Ukraine and they get stronger and stronger while RuSSia gets weaker and weaker. (The REAL Russia according to an ACTUAL Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJgzjEqcRM)
I.e. worthless....
The Ukrainian revolution of 2014 started with protests over President Yanukovich’s decision not to sign an agreement with the European Union. The United States and the EU openly supported the demonstrators and spoke of detaching Ukraine from what one might call the Russian (past Soviet) security sphere and attaching it to the West through EU and NATO membership. Never mind that Ukraine was unable at that time to meet the normal requirements for either EU or NATO membership. Violence started, first in the Ukrainian nationalist West, with irregular militias taking over the local offices headed by Yanukovich appointees.
Thanks for the info and map.
Yes the UA is faltering ahead while the Russians are charging backwards.
The might of the West is based on combined arms and air support. It is a full, coordinated process. Ukraine doesnt have air superiority.
Ukraine isn’t losing. Russia isn’t winning.
Only children think offensive movements across a broad front form and succeed in days.
Looks like classic stalemated quagmire to me.
Why would you use the referendum map from 1991?
Completely different question and issue.
“Only children think offensive movements across a broad front form and succeed in days.”
Only children spread their offensive power across a 600 mile front, heavily fortified and defended and supported by Air Superiority...and expect to break through in any meaningful way.
I can only deduce the Ukrainians and NATO never expected a major win of any kind.
Who said it was spread over a six hundred mile front?
You understand what “probe in force” is all about. Don’t you?
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