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15 Percent of U.S.-Made Bradleys Already Destroyed in Ukraine.
National Pulse ^ | June 14, 2023 | JACK MONTGOMERY

Posted on 06/14/2023 9:58:32 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

They should get all the equipment in Afghanistan.


41 posted on 06/14/2023 1:31:34 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: PAR35

What is your source for that?


42 posted on 06/14/2023 1:52:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: House Atreides

The ONLY statistic that matters is the number/percentage lost of those that are actually deployed into combat.

The problem is that this is a new kind of war. When you move, everyone sees it. Drones guide artillery down an drones kill. Moving heavy equipment like armor, without air superiority, leads to huge loss rates. In this scenario, if you’re in missile, artillery, drone, or aircraft range, you’re in combat. These will lead to new expected loss rates, something that will be hard to compare. I think the Russians already figured it out, but not yet the Ukrainians. 100 years later, and back to trenches. Napalm, fuel air bombs, cluster munitions, supposedly made trenches obsolete. Think aircraft.

When you retrospectively look at the closing years of WWI, and the beginning of WWII, the difference was movement. However, was it tanks or tank movement? The later depended heavily on air superiority. Without the ground attack aircraft, Stuka then others, would it have looked like WW1 with better tanks?

NATO tactics without air superiority may not be effective now, no matter how good the tanks/APC’s. Ukrainians are going to die to prove it though.


43 posted on 06/14/2023 2:25:35 PM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Red Badger

That can’t be possible, the media says the Ukrainians have the Ruskies on the run.


44 posted on 06/14/2023 2:29:03 PM PDT by Jaded (I'll take "How Stupid Are People" for $1000, Alex. Look! It's a Daily Double.)
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To: Red Badger

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45 posted on 06/14/2023 2:51:24 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: ansel12

Well, I’m not sure if it’s a credible source or not. You know you can’t really trust the US Military to tell the truth these days. But here’s one link.

https://www.7atc.army.mil/JMTGU/

“Mentor and Advise Armed Forces of Ukraine Trainers: U.S. Soldiers, joined by NATO allies and partners, mentored and advised Armed Forces of Ukraine Observer Controller / Trainers at the Combat Training Center located near Yavoriv. This was accomplished by employing a “train-the-trainer” approach, enabling Ukrainians to take the lead in training rotational brigades.

“Enable Combat Training Center Capability and Capacity: U.S. Soldiers worked with Armed Forces of Ukraine partners at the Combat Training Center - Yavoriv to develop and implement systems to improve combat training and increase training center capacity. Combat Training Center - Yavoriv delivered Brigade-and-below collective training for Armed Forces of Ukraine Brigades.”

Not like this is any secret, is it?

Yavoriv is in Lviv Oblast, UKRAINE.


46 posted on 06/14/2023 4:43:06 PM PDT by PAR35
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All that training within Ukraine was before Russia invaded, NATO was pulled out of that Ukrainian base.


47 posted on 06/14/2023 4:54:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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“”Uh, do we have “advisers” there? We know how that ended up in VN.””

A few hundred advisors were never a problem in Vietnam, JFK sending in 16,000 troops was the problem.


48 posted on 06/14/2023 4:56:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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