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Russia's improved weaponry and tactics pose challenges to Ukraine's counteroffensive
The Associated Press via Yahoo ^ | June 12th, 2023 | Unattributed (nobody wants the stink on them)

Posted on 06/12/2023 11:56:37 AM PDT by Mariner

Ukrainian troops are probing Russian defenses as spring gives way to a second summer of fighting, and Kyiv's forces are facing an enemy that has made mistakes and suffered setbacks in the 15-month-old war. But analysts say Moscow also has learned from those blunders and improved its weapons and skills.

Russia has built heavily fortified defenses along the 1,000-kilometer (600-mile) front line, honed its electronic weapons to reduce Ukraine's edge in combat drones, and turned heavy bombs from its massive Cold-War-era arsenal into precision-guided gliding munitions capable of striking targets without putting its warplanes at risk.

The changing Russian tactics along with increased troop numbers and improved weaponry could make it challenging for Ukraine to score any kind of quick decisive victory, threatening to turn it into a long battle of attrition.

U.S. Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Mark Milley said in an interview with The Associated Press on Tuesday that while Ukraine's military is well-prepared, as time goes on, "this will be a back-and-forth fight for a considerable length of time.”

Most attention last week focused on catastrophic flooding in southern Ukraine caused by the destruction of the Kakhovka dam that both sides blame on each other.

At the same time, however, Ukrainian troops have unleashed a series of attacks in several parts of the front that so far have made only marginal gains against multilayered Russian defenses.

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To: Mariner

Armor isn’t what it used to be. Both sides are losing armored vehicles at a high rate.


21 posted on 06/12/2023 2:42:22 PM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: delta7
...if you haven’t gotten it yet, he has a full toolbox , with many tools not yet used….all the while the West and Ukraine are spent….

That's a lot of BS!

17 months already,and Putin hasn't used his best weapons and best personnel? And the toolbox has more? A lot of BS!

Putin has limited resources, especially a very weak economy that can't support a prolonged war. Limited economic strength means very limited weaponry and very limited funds to pay for his military personnel. Russia bit off more than he can chew and it's showing.

So, it's you Putinistas and Russkies that need to get a grip on reality, and reality is that Russia is struggling to continue doing war. Putin will be gone on less than a year. But, no need to shed your tears, since there are always more available from where Putin came from. Your Putin The Second will be arriving in less than 2 years.
22 posted on 06/12/2023 2:46:50 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

reality is that Russia is struggling to continue doing war.
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I don’t see Vlad traveling the world begging for weapons, men, and money….I do see Artymovsk ( Bakmut ) fallen and the Ukies beginning offensive failing miserably….with hundreds of pieces of US Western equipment destroyed, for the whole world to see.


23 posted on 06/12/2023 3:52:05 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
I don’t see Vlad traveling the world begging for weapons, men, and money…

Putin is gonna get mad at you, because, you haven't been paying attention.

China went to visit him,and Iran is providing drones and other countries are trying to support him by buying oil.

But no matter what, Russia is a very poor country, and if it were not for the oil, Russia would have lost the war already. Russia now has an economy that ranks close to 20th in the world, and a poor country cannot support any war effort for too long.

Anyhow, Putin is going to send you to a gulag for not keeping up with his efforts or lack thereof. He's counting on you, so, don't fail him... or else.
24 posted on 06/12/2023 5:44:53 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno; M Kehoe

“Anyhow, Putin is going to send you to a gulag for not keeping up with his efforts or lack thereof. He’s counting on you, so, don’t fail him... or else.”

You’ve got blinders on. Ukraine is/will not get anywhere with their offensive. Many of the weapons the West (mostly the U.S.) has given them are getting destroyed, and their already decimated population of fighting age men (some women) are being further killed off. And the Ukrainian army doesn’t have the backup troops that Russia can muster.

At this rate, there will be generations of Ukrainian men that will all be dead, and it will be generations before they can be replaced. All this proxy war of attrition is getting is more dead bodies every day.

If Trump was President, there would be negotiations and an end to the fighting; under Biden this war will be an endless drain on our economy supporting the war effort (as Biden is being blackmailed by Ukraine to keep supplying the war effort because he and his son and his family are compromised by millions of dollars of payoffs to his crime syndicate family that Ukraine can blow the whistle on at any moment in time.

Our own munitions are being drawn down (including our strategic oil reserves) to the point that if China were to attack Taiwan, we would most likely lose (as will an invaded Taiwan) in short order. This is Biden’s legacy, endless war in Ukraine, weakness abroad, a coalition between China/Russia/Iran that no one wants, with India and Saudi Arabia no longer in our camp because they can’t stand/don’t trust Biden).

We will probably lose Taiwan to the ChiComs and won’t be able to do a thing about it. The lies of Ukrainian success, the lack of stats re their death count, paints a faux picture of what is really going on there, and the Biden regime propagandists continue to support this endless no win war effort because it suits their political needs for distraction from Biden’s failed domestic issues.

Shame on all of the pro-Ukrainian endless fighting machine supporters for destroying our own country’s military capabilities leaving us vulnerable to whomever wants at us. Fools all.


25 posted on 06/12/2023 6:12:10 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: flaglady47

Shame on those broken and defeated “conservatives” who wish the misery and death of the filthy Russian World on Ukrainians. Reagan would roll over in his grave at such thoughts. Making Russia Great Again will never be in the interest of American conservatives.


26 posted on 06/12/2023 6:25:41 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Trinity5

In some respects you are right. But at least we have immigrants...who wants to move to Russia?


27 posted on 06/12/2023 7:14:47 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: flaglady47
You’ve got blinders on. Ukraine is/will not get anywhere with their offensive.

Putin is in love with you again. You are doing the work of his press minister. Just like Saddam Hussein had his miniser or truth.

But, like we all know, the ministers of truth for diabolical regimes lie a lot. According to other media, Ukraine is kicking butt, and if they do lose equipment and even soldiers along the way, Russia is not doing so great when they too are losing people and equipment. That's the nature of war; you win some, you lose some. But, with you ministers or truth, only your opposition is losing. Baghdad Bob would be proud of you, but Putin is there now loving you.

Many of the weapons the West (mostly the U.S.) has given them are getting destroyed

Guess you don't know how war works. You lose some, but, as long as your are the last man standing, you win. Russia cannot afford to lose as much as Ukraine is losing, because, most of Ukraine's equipment is coming fro the U.S. and other European countries, and Russia cannot match them.

Tell Putin that, he has absolutely no chance of winning, but do it nicely, or he'll send you to a Siberian prison where you will never be heard from again. So, let him down easy, for your sake.
28 posted on 06/12/2023 7:37:19 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno; M Kehoe

“Tell Putin that, he has absolutely no chance of winning, but do it nicely, or he’ll send you to a Siberian prison where you will never be heard from again. So, let him down easy, for your sake.”

There won’t be a Ukraine to save. All the men, both young and some old, will be dead and you will find out that at some point Ukraine/Russia will have to negotiate as Russia can fight for years and Ukraine can’t keep it up without us. At some point the people of this Country will be fed up and that time is very near with seeing all their tax dollars finance an endless war and at that time, if there is any Ukraine left, a deal will be cut. Get used to the idea, because that is what is going to happen, and calling people Pttuin lovers, who can see clearly what is happening over there rather than through propagandist eyes on both sides, won’t help your cause at all.


29 posted on 06/12/2023 8:02:31 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: adorno

“Ukraine’s equipment is coming fro the U.S. and other European countries, and Russia cannot match them.”

Russia is being supplied with endless drones from Iran, getting supplies (both military and other) from China, North Korea, and others doing it under the table. The Ukraine/Russia war is indeed a proxy war with both sides being supplied by their allies. Russia will last as long as they want to last, and Ukraine will lose generations of their men dead by war.


30 posted on 06/12/2023 8:09:32 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: flaglady47
Ukraine can’t keep it up without us

Like you said, it's 'us' there too, meaning that, Ukraine can't ans wont lose.

Meanwhile, Russia has suffered more than 300,000 YOUNG MEN dead and injured, and it's perhaps closer to 500,000. So, Russia is going to have a big surplus of women without husbands or boyfriends. Russia is going to have to import hundreds of thousands of men from other countries to take care of their ladies. And those men had better bring their wealth with them, since Russia's economy will be close to dead.

Like I said, getting Russia's version of the news will keep you ignorant or very misinformed.
31 posted on 06/12/2023 8:12:45 PM PDT by adorno
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To: flaglady47
Russia will last as long as they want to last,

Russia is a very poor country, and they can't afford to keep paying for the drones and other equipment for long. And with them suffering hundreds of thousands dead and injured, they are losing a lot more than Ukraine.

At the end of the war, Russia will still be a very poor country, and Ukraine will have a much easier time to recover via the help of the U.S. and Europe and many other countries.
32 posted on 06/12/2023 8:17:07 PM PDT by adorno
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To: lodi90

“Reagan would roll over in his grave at such thoughts. Making Russia Great Again will never be in the interest of American conservatives”

Reagan negotiated with Gorbachev and got along with that Russian dictator very well. He caught more flies with honey. Trump is an excellent negotiator. Biden is a dolt.


33 posted on 06/12/2023 8:19:41 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: flaglady47

Russia will last as long as they want to last, and Ukraine will lose generations of their men dead by war.

Moscow probably has a notion of how much of its conquest, it would give up.

But Ukraine has a notion of recovering all of what Russia has taken.

While the rest of Europe - plus supporting parties and other nations - have notions of there not being "a long war."

U.S. Sec'y of Defense Austin, made a mistake by declaring that Ukraine would recover Crimea. A claim that he cannot back up, while Russia remains willing to bombard for a long time.

Absent the ability to produce 12 or more main battle tanks a week in Ukraine, and absent the ability to produce the missiles, anti-armor weapons, field artillery, and TOURNIQUETS needed every week . . . Ukraine continuing to try and recover all the land that was lost to Moscow's reckless and thoughtless conquests, will be backing itself into a corner from which it will be forced - by its un-acceptance of its present position: being fortunate and thankful to retain what it now has - to, at some point int he future, having to sue Russia for peace - MEANING: giving up more territory to Russia.

Ukraine underestimates the treachery of the leftist-socialists that make up the administrations of some "western countries" including the Biden Administration plus deceptive ministrations by absolutists such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and other "green" and "color revolutionary" Stalinist- "progressives."

34 posted on 06/12/2023 9:08:00 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

Good post. Interesting.


35 posted on 06/12/2023 9:44:06 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: bte

WAR IS A GRIM TEACHER but Russia has learned and improved with each set back. Each week they become more professional and better. Now they are on defense and Ukraine will have a fight on their hands. Napoleon taught them about massed artillery and this has helped them a great deal. If the offensive fails or stalls —Russia will win. Only a NATO intervention will stave off defeat.


36 posted on 06/13/2023 5:16:57 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: MeganC

Yes the current influx of immigrants is the cream of the crop. Sometimes less is more you know...


37 posted on 06/13/2023 5:25:43 AM PDT by Trinity5
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To: adorno

300,000 to 500,000??? Where are you getting these numbers???


38 posted on 06/13/2023 5:26:31 AM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Trinity5
300,000 to 500,000??? Where are you getting these numbers???

I read about the 300,000 several months ago, and I figure that by now, it's much higher.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiJyPOaqsD_AhU2lIQIHbsHD_EQFnoECBAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.minusrus.com%2Fen&usg=AOvVaw0o1Xmyk-rSQ3fwPkGnU1_V
39 posted on 06/13/2023 6:20:20 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno; M Kehoe

“At the end of the war, Russia will still be a very poor country, and Ukraine will have a much easier time to recover via the help of the U.S. and Europe and many other countries.”

So our taxpayers pay for this proxy war and then pay again through the nose to rebuild Ukraine, and it won’t be much from “many other countries”. It will be U.S. taxpayer dollars that will be used to rebuild Ukraine if the Dems and RINOs have any say in the matter. Hopefully the Dems will be out of office by that time; that is if Biden doesn’t start WWIII which he will if backed into a corner as to his corruption and crimes. That’s when he will start a nice distracting WWIII. I’m sure you are looking forward to this.


40 posted on 06/13/2023 8:27:00 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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