Annexation of Kharkov

Dances With Bears ^ | 30 May23 | John Helmer

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….. We live in a state of de facto war. Whether we like it or not, it’s happening,” Gladkov said on the Rossiya 24 television channel. Asked what can be done to increase public security in the Russian border regions, he said one option is “to attach Kharkov to Belgorod Region. This is the best way to solve the issue of the shelling of Belgorod Region.” That was a public, political challenge to the Kremlin. It was polite compared to those who use other names when they mean to criticize Putin’s conduct of the war. Governor Gladkov is a southerner by birth, education, and career. Born in the Penza region, he has worked in high administrative posts in Penza, Crimea, Stavropol, and for almost three years now in Belgoro…..

…. Here is a sample of the public answers from academic and military experts in Moscow as reported by mainstream publishers, editors and journalists: The Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Yury Shvytkin has agreed with the opinion of the Governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov, who has advocated the annexation of Kharkov and Kharkov region to Russia in order to stop the shelling of the region by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). In the comments to the agency News.ru, the parliamentarian, however, noted that this is not the only way to resolve the issue and it is necessary to secure the border territories from the AFU as much as possible. “One military operation cannot solve the problem, there must be a set of solutions. One of them, I agree with Gladkov, is the capture of Kharkov. In parallel with this, other tasks need to be solved. We will take Kharkov not today and not tomorrow, and so security needs to be provided now. We need to take emergency measures in this matter,” Shvytkin said. The deputy added that it is now very important to move the AFU away from the border of the Russian Federation, securing the areas as much as possible. Shvytkin also called for the creation of an operational headquarters under the unified command of the border territories, as well as for training specialists in anti-sabotage activities. According to him, the decision on the operational staff was supported by the head of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrei Kartapolov.…..

…… The annexation of the Kharkov region to Russia will help stop the shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as the Russian border will be significantly moved away. This was stated to the Regional Information Agency of the Moscow Region (RIAMO) by Moscow State University political scientist Artem Kosorukov, commenting on the related initiative of the Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov. “The shelling of the Belgorod, Bryansk, and Kursk regions is a form of hybrid war; that is, maintaining tension, terrorising civilians, hitting civilian targets. To stop them, it is really necessary to move the border, because to suppress all these numerous points and constantly catch sabotage reconnaissance groups is a very difficult and painstaking work,” he explained. According to his estimates, if you shift the Russian border from the Belgorod region by about a hundred kilometers or more, Kharkov will certainly fall into this zone. However, there is no need to wait for Moscow to announce its plans, because if the Russian leadership has such thoughts, then this is a military secret, the expert noted. Kosorukov is sure that the Odessa and Kharkov regions should have been part of Novorossiya, based on the conditions of 2014. According to him, such plans may have been temporarily abandoned. Another option is to move the borders, but to make the territory a buffer zone until a final decision is made on the annexation of the region to Russia.”

The continuation of shelling and attacks on Russian regions forces the Russian government to think about moving the border of contact with Ukraine. So, in an interview with Regnum Information Agency, political scientist Yury Svetov commented on the statement of the governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov about the need to take over the Kharkov region in order to solve the problem of shelling in the region. Political scientist Svetov conceded that a referendum might be held in Kharkov on joining Russia. “There is logic in this. The continuation of shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces forces us to move the contact line further and further. Obviously, until they stop firing, we will move. Kharkov has always been a predominantly Russian city. Russia still has to liberate territories and hold referendums. Without the liberation of Kharkov, Nikolaev, and Odessa, Ukraine’s aggression cannot be stopped,” Svetov believes. “Of course, the West will not like it if the Kharkov region becomes part of Russia. But the further we go, the more we begin to assess the situation for ourselves, without regard to someone else’s opinion. We need to think about ourselves and about protecting our population, and not about the reaction of the West,” the political scientist emphasizes.….

…. Third, the cross-border raids help Kremlin. If they were losing public support, these raids help them shore it up. Fourth, once the Ukrainian army is defeated, the eight regions of Novorossiya will be inside Russia [Odessa, Nikolaev, Dniepropetrovsk, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov]. This is a war that has not seen a single ceasefire and there will be none. This ends with the end-game. For the Americans a very substantial loss of face for Putin with a large number of casualties and some claw-back of territory taken by Moscow is victory. For the Russians, there are no half-measures. They have to seal it and they have to destroy or defeat the Ukrainian army on the battlefield. There will be no bargaining with anyone. Putin will not make the mistakes of Gorbachev to give back what has been won on battlefield. They will come in and take the cities after the Ukrainian forces capitulate” — Moscow military analyst requesting anonymity. …..

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So there you have it, Vlad has shown much restraint, but his population is pushing for more Oblasts to become part of the Russian Federation. Medvedev is pushing all the way to the Dniepner, Odessa included.

Time will tell.

[tlozo]

He was allegedly recruited by the KGB in the 1980s (according to the claims of Yuri Shvets) and left to live in Russia permanently. However, Victor Cherkashin claims that Helmer was unaware that Shvets was a KGB officer, and that Cherkashin himself called Shvets off. Later, after Shvets' concerns attracted controversy, Cherkashin confirmed that Helmer was not an agent.

Helmer has been based in Moscow since 1989 and, from there, has worked for Australian Financial Review, The Australian and other newspapers.

Writing in the New Jersey Star Ledger, journalist Dave D'Alessandro described Helmer as, "the journalist residing in Moscow who has been a pebble in Mikhail Prokhorov’s shoe since oligarchs have been collecting their billions under the protection of a corrupt, Fascist state.... the kind of journalist who turns up dead once a month or so inside Putin's Russia." And also as, "a fascinating and talented fellow, if not a fair bit over the top in his pursuit of truths

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Helmer_(journalist)

[delta7]

So, based in Moscow, yes, he has fine credentials to report Russia’s behind the scenes plans.I posted only to “ enlighten “ the western public. All the BS the western media says about Russia in revolt is pure nonsense.

Do I support Vlad going on to annex ( liberate) more provinces? Only if it brings this war to an end….and yes I do think negotiations should have started long ago. Vlad isn’t giving up his new Oblasts, get used to it.

[MalPearce]

Typical crap logic from the Russkies.

If they want Ukraine to stop attacking Belgorod then they should offer Belgorod to Ukraine in return for the Donbas.

Russia is shelling the Donbas despite claiming it’s in control of the Donbas. It’s shelling Zaporozhzhia city despite claiming that the entire oblast is Russian.

So why would any sane Uke assume that their region’s annexation by Russia would stop Russia bombing it?

The stupid Russians keep advance the case that voting for annexation is tantamount to masochism.

[AndyJackson]

his population is pushing for more Oblasts to become part of the Russian Federation.

The population can't have what they want. That's undemocratic.

[PIF]

More attempts at demoralizing Ukrainian supporters with pure Russian propaganda, this time straight from Moscow.

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[JonPreston]

Zelensky: this Friday there will be a meeting at which it will be decided when the meeting of the General Staff will be held, at which they will decide when the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin.😄 pic.twitter.com/iLHJpDgKXI— Sprinter (@Sprinter99880) June 4, 2023

[JonPreston]

How does it feel to have cheered on a losing effort?

[tlozo]

Do I support Vlad going on to annex ( liberate) more provinces?

Yes, ruskies are all for "liberation".

Bakhmut, "liberated" by russians

[Petrosius]

Asked what can be done to increase public security in the Russian border regions, he said one option is “to attach Kharkov to Belgorod Region. This is the best way to solve the issue of the shelling of Belgorod Region.”

No, the best way to solve the issue of the shelling of Belgorod Region is to withdraw from Ukraine and stop shelling Ukrainian cities.

[PGR88]

Russia is ready to fight this war for the next 20 years.

Is the USA? Is Brussels?

Getting involved in a land war in the Eurasian continent with Russia is the crowning turd in the cess-pit of stupidity from America’s arrogant, blind, neo-marxist cucked deep-state.

[buwaya]

They tried to take Kharkov in 2022 and failed with heavy casualties.

If they want to try again they will have to thin their lines elsewhere or deplete their reserves. So either way mission accomplished for the raiding forces.

Note that because of US strategic recon there is no possibility of surprise here. The buildup will be seen immediately, and Ukraine has interior lines for quick reinforcement.

[rbmillerjr]

No, Russia is not ready to fight anybody for the next 20 years.

In the end, in modern warfare, if you lose the initiative, you lose the war. Russia has no initiative. All the talk is about a Summor Counteroffensive. But, it’s not coming from Russia.

[PGR88]

No, Russia is not ready to fight anybody for the next 20 years.

Thanks General Miller.

Now go find out, but don't involve me or my children

[JohnBovenmyer]

Thus switching the problem from “shelling of the Belgorad region” to “shelling of the Kharkov region.”

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Ukraine has interior lines for quick reinforcement.
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You are funny.

[delta7]

withdraw from Ukraine and stop shelling Ukrainian cities.
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Many westerners just don’t get it. Vlad is simply not giving up the Donbass provinces, for many reasons. Those wishing he will, must believe in Unicorns and toothe fairies.

Get used to it and move forward.

[delta7]

Russia is ready to fight this war for the next 20 years.
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In spirit yes, but in his address he has stated he is well stocked, and fully prepared for a 30 month war ( as of two months ago- his munitions factories are now working 24/7). The collective West is not, take it from there.

In this horse race, my money would go on Vlad.

[rbmillerjr]

Don’t bet that on DraftKings.

Northrop, Lockheed and Raytheon are building 24/7 shifts to increase output.

The Russians can’t win. Their only hope is stalemate, but they could risk losing more territory.