Posted on 05/30/2023 10:56:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
This is all great HOWEVER executive orders are overturned as quickly as they are made!!
Fine partial solution!
However, I haven’t heard him promise to complete the wall
AND
deport the 45-to-50 million MIVs currently polluting our nation...
well it would be about time, no?
Which puts the ball in their court (any legislator who wants to legalize anchor babies), not ours.
Cannot be done by executive order, with too many SCOTUS cases supporting the current legal interpretation.
If Trump wants that policy he will need to support legislation in Congress to get it done, not dictate it from the WH. Telling voters he will dictate such a policy may win him some votes, but those voters will be dissappointed when he can’t get it done by executive order.
Since you were not able to convince congress critters to pass the proper laws, the only option you left Trump was write as many EO’s as possible
“In other words, Mexicans who enter illegally are STILL Mexican citizens.”
I don’t think anyone argues that.
“Being a non-registered agent does mean they are “under the juristiction”.”
No, but being within our borders, without some special diplomatic status does mean they are “under the jurisdiction” of the United States. As I said, if they aren’t under the jurisdiction of the US, then they cannot be charged with a crime if they violate our laws, as that is the simplest demonstration of jurisdiction. You yourself admit they can be charged with crimes, so you have also admitted they are under the jurisdiction of the United States while they are here, whether you wanted to or not.
“You go and try giving birth in Mexico to see if they give your kid automatic Mexican citizenship. It ain’t happening.”
Mexico’s laws are irrelevant as to what the laws of the United States are. So this is just a distraction.
You’re right but you’re being replied to by people who don’t know what words mean (jurisdiction) or don’t bother looking at the history of the law (congress debated this). The arguments from congress are in the archives. They knew passing it would make citizens of the offspring of people illegally within borders. So Trump can’t do this.
He proposed to issue an EO right out of the gate on day one. Good move, since any legislation would necessarily have to come later. Congress is not going to have a bill passed and ready to be signed the first day he takes office.
As far as passing it on to Trump, no need. Trump knows this better than you or I do. The EO is a good first start to implement the policy quickly while working on a more permanent solution. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Yep. That’s how I remember it.
Yes. Thanks for the note. I have been around FR for a very long time and the quality has fallen significantly.
The word jurisdiction has a very specific definition that has nothing to do with the illegal status of the person in question.
What generally happens on 2020+ FR is people look things up and don’t like what they find. So they look further for some website of someone unqualified to tell them something is true that they want to be true. And the conversation disintegrates from there.
It doesn’t take negotiating to issue an EO.
What do you think the chances are of a nationwide injunction being issued? I believe they would be very high.
Issuing an EO is easy. Articulating a plan takes effort. There’s time to do that now and build allies in Congress now.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
CHANGE IT TO READ:
“All persons LEGALLY born or naturalized...”
Welcome to the world of posting poll results. If a FReeper likes the poll results - if they agree with their worldview or viewpoints - polls are great. If not - there is whining that "polls can be trusted", blah, blah, blah.
It's called willful ignorance, intellectual laziness, etc.
Illegal aliens aren't "residents" they are trespassers.
"The [Fourteenth Amendment] in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States."
Illegal aliens aren't domiciled. They are squatters.
The 14th would have to be amended or Kim Wong Ark overturned.
Kim Won Ark's parents were here legally. They were resident aliens. They were domiciled within the US.
Kim Wong Ark vs US was about babies of legal aliens, not illegal aliens.
“Articulating a plan takes effort. There’s time to do that now and build allies in Congress now.”
Trump has been successful because he understands the negotiating process. Most negotiations take place in private, away from the public eye. Trump is not going to share the specific details of any negotiations while they’re still happening.
As far as building allies in Congress now, Trump is always doing that. But there’s only so much he can do now. In 2025 we’ll have a different Congress. Many members from our current Congress won’t even be there in 2025, so there’s only so much negotiating he can do at this point. The rest will have to wait until he takes office.
In the mean time, he’s gone on record regarding the EO, and his continual discussion of it on the campaign trail and in interviews will likely have the effect of building public support for the issue, making it easier for the next Congress to support it.
Understand.
Regardless, I believe that an EO that interprets the 14th Amendment in the way that President Trump wants it interpreted will be put on hold due to a national injunction.
Just like Mr. "Pen and Phone" Obama did?
How'd that work out?
And you justify unilateral "Executive Action" just because Congress does not act?
Where have I heard that before?
And then the next prez rescinds it. EO’s suck.
It does not read "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
It is a basic tenet of statutory interpretation that no provision should be interpreted as being meaningless or superfluous, but that is exactly what people who claim that birthright citizenship is in the Constitution do.
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