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To: delta7
Facts are Ukraine has no path to victory. Vlad is not leaving the ethnic Russian provinces. Ukraine’s survival depends 100 percent on Western welfare. Bodes not well for them, for many reasons.

Victory for Ukraine is defeating the Russians militarily in Ukraine, pushing them out of the country, removing Russia's capability to reinvade by economic and military means and securing it's border.

Victory for Russia is extending it's "buffer zone" to prevent NATO missles from being placed on it's border, removing Ukraine's ability via NATO (proxy war) from invading Russia and removing the possibility of losing its warm water port, acquiring the oil/natural gas deposits off the Ukraine coast and extending it's sphere of influence by threatening to do the same thing to the Baltics, Moldova, Poland and all the other "-stans" on it's border.

Which one seems more likely?

I think the latter is where my money would go if there was an online casino offering that prop bet.

What is suprising to me is Moldova's actions in embracing the EU and possibly trying to poke the bear living in Transnistria. I can't believe they can see what is left of eastern Ukraine and somehow think that NATO will rush in and help them.

I think the leadership is not playing for the interests of it's people but for money and influence offered by EU bureaucrats.

41 posted on 05/19/2023 2:45:46 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 "deo duce ferro comitantes" <p><b><i></I></B><P> <img src=""> )
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To: Dick Vomer

Victory for Ukraine is defeating the Russians militarily in Ukraine, pushing them out of the country, removing Russia’s capability to reinvade by economic and military means and securing its border.
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Exactly why they have no path to victory, they are now 100 percent a welfare state, they have no means of support, little income generation, and as with most that are reliant on welfare, it will take decades to pull out of the cycle.

Pulling out of the welfare cycle with someone else’s money ( debt) never ends well for the debtor OR the creditor, especially when the creditor is bankrupt.

If you haven’t read the figures, Vlad is generating much income from his vast resources, resources that the West needs. The bonus-Ukraine’s Donbass area pre war generated 70 percent plus of Ukraine’s national income.

That said, Vlad isn’t leaving the ethnic Russian provinces, his population or Congress ( Duma) will not allow it. In fact, the cries to take Odessa, a city Katrina founded in the 1700’s, are increasing every day.

The Ukies are toast for decades to come.


44 posted on 05/19/2023 11:33:08 AM PDT by delta7
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