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To: BroJoeK
He wants to change the subject to how horrible England is because of some of the many horrible things that they did, without acknowledging any of the wonderful things that England did, because:

1. He's a paid Putin shill;
2. He's obsessed with the Irish potato famine, and can't get past it, due to the fact that his ancestors were in it;
3. Both of the above; or
4. He thinks I'm making light of England's past misdeeds, even though I've made it clear that I am not.

I stand by my prior conclusion, which should have sufficed for the entire argument, except that he either never read it, or is studiously ignoring it. Either way, here it is again:

But this is all a red herring. Your underlying premise, that Britain’s past misdeeds make them ineligible to say ‘boo’ in world affairs, and should allow Putin to run rampant in Eastern Europe yet again, is the underlying assumption of CRT and woke-ism, which goes as follows: America stole land and exterminated Indian tribes, enslaved blacks, and did racist stuff, so it is fundamentally immoral even today, and had better just shut up and pay reparations, and all white people should wear sack cloth and ashes forevermore.

Britain was once a mighty empire. America is a mighty empire at present. Russia was once a mighty empire. So was France and Rome and Greece and Persia and Babylon. Mighty empires, over the centuries, do many things, some of them great and wonderful, and some of them odious and criminal. But, as deTocqueville points out, nations are not like men. A man who commits crimes must be punished for them, or atone for them, and can’t go on from there. A nation, however, can start anew with each generation, even without tearing down statues of Jefferson and Jackson, or Churchill, all of whom were as complex as the nations they led, and who committed many terrible things, too, in addition to the great things that they undoubtedly did.

So blather on about how evil Britain supposedly is because of the potato famine, the Struma, Amritsar, or whatever. Those were in past generations. Right now, Russia is committing criminal acts and trying to destroy and absorb a smaller nation. Britain can and should help that nation defend itself, racist past or not.

Or, if you want, blather on about Ukrainians collaborating with Hitler, and the statues of Banderas and Khmelnicky. There’s also a monument memorializing the dead of Babi-Yar as well.

There is no moral justification for Putin’s invasion. There is no moral impediment to another nation helping Ukraine defend against Putin’s invasion. Period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XObKJrz8Sjg

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Pip pip. Cheerio, Preston. Have a good 'un.

39 posted on 05/18/2023 4:43:42 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XObKJrz8Sjg

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40 posted on 05/18/2023 4:44:36 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5; JonPreston
Eleutheria5: "He wants to change the subject to how horrible England is because of some of the many horrible things that they did, without acknowledging any of the wonderful things that England did..."

Sure, I understand all that, was just hoping to add a few facts in defense of Winnie the Pooh.
I don't like it when people insinuate that he was just a bear of very little brain. 😁

The simple facts are that Ukraine's right to defend itself against Russian invaders is not affected by any alleged corruptions in their government.
Nor are NATO countries' rights to help Ukrainians defend themselves compromised by any past, alleged, bear of very little brain wrong ideas or misdeeds.

And just so we're clear about this: Winnie the Pooh has no connection to or relationship with his every evil second cousin once removed, Vlad the Poot.
They have not spoken in decades, I'm sure...

😂

42 posted on 05/19/2023 8:11:29 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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