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How Ukrainian forces denied Russia victory in Bakhmut by Victory Day
The Washington Post ^ | May 12, 2023 | Siobhán O'Grady, Kamila Hrabchuk and Kostiantyn Khudov

Posted on 05/12/2023 1:32:19 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: Firehath
Christian flag

Right, the "Christian flag" that invaded a more Christian country Ukraine and unleashed massive misery, death and destruction, but that's okay because its a "Christian flag".

Relatives and family friends attend the funeral of Sofia Shulha, 11, and Kyrylo Pysarev, 17, in Uman, central Ukraine, April 30, 2023. Both were killed during a Russian attack on a residential building early Friday morning.


21 posted on 05/12/2023 2:43:20 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: marcusmaximus

Or what? You gonna hold your breath? Stomp your feet?

Jeez...

I can immediately tell you are foreign born by your usage of English. If you are a legal resident or citizen, congrats, you made it, but I am surprised by your weak grasp of logic and woeful education. Usually, its pretty good abroad. If not, don’t really care about what passes for your “thoughts”. You have no say in this.


22 posted on 05/12/2023 2:44:09 PM PDT by TonyinLA (I don't have sufficient information to formulate an reasoned opinion said no lefty ever.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’ve somewhat resisted commenting as this subject seem to be a pissing contest.
You guys do know that Kiev was once capitol of Russia? Obviously not.
Do you know what Stalin did to the Ukraine, Known as the Holodomor? Obviously not.
This is a civil war, between two equally homogeneous peoples.
Morally and culturally. Corrupt and un-trustworthy.
We are taking advantage of this war to grind down the Russian war machine. Pure and simple.
Trump is right we can shut this down in 24 hrs.
At this point we should. Europe is the winner.
Russia and Ukraine is back to its historical norm as it was
hundreds of years ago. Slavic nation with competing factions.


23 posted on 05/12/2023 2:44:17 PM PDT by rellic
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To: rellic
You guys do know that Kiev was once capitol of Russia? Obviously not.

You do know that we were once a colony of England? So what? Things change

Slavic nation with competing factions.

Poland is a slavic nation, should it be re-united with other slavic nations? Moronic

24 posted on 05/12/2023 2:49:51 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Karl Spooner
https://tjournal.ru/opinions/597078-priznanie-arestovicha
https://tjournal-ru.translate.goog/opinions/597078-priznanie-arestovicha?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

"Ukraine is lying to itself, not wanting to accept the reality in which it is necessary to be ready for war constantly, which means that it spends a significant portion of the budget on military expenses. Israel is spending, but Ukraine is not yet."

Posting year old mistranslations reflects on the side creating and using them more than the object of the effort.

25 posted on 05/12/2023 2:51:43 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: TonyinLA

Your Russian comrades are having a bad night on the northern flank of Bakhmut tonight. Putin could have saved them by letting them go home. Now they’re crispy fried critters.


26 posted on 05/12/2023 2:54:47 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: rellic

“You guys do know that Kiev was once capitol of Russia?”

It was not. Kiev was capital of Rus a medieval Viking led state that vanished in the 11th century.

600 years later the rulers of Muscovy stole the name of that more ancient kingdom to give them legitimacy as they pushed south in Ukrainian areas.

There is no connection between the two states.


27 posted on 05/12/2023 2:55:41 PM PDT by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: TonyinLA
I can immediately tell you are foreign born by your usage of English.

... and woeful education.

So says the "educated man" whose tagline is a mess, and his profile is riddled with insults to the English language.

28 posted on 05/12/2023 2:58:11 PM PDT by AnglePark (My opinion is the most worthless thing I own.)
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To: tlozo

the ukraines

should thank

the lib diversity war - crusade

on God - Judeo / Christianity

for all their suffering

they’re being used

it’s Marx - islamII ( Obama - biden )

not a doubt in my mind

thugocracy / mobacracy

Israel will be next

This war on Russia

is just serbia2

the walk on the mount

stopped that one


29 posted on 05/12/2023 3:01:35 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: tlozo

You aren’t the brightest tool in the shed are you?
Poland is now bound up in NATO so it can’t do it’s historical aggressions.
As for English and the colony crap we fought a war and won.
There is an ocean separating us. Kind of hard for them to try and invade us in the 21st century.


30 posted on 05/12/2023 3:02:12 PM PDT by rellic
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To: Renfrew

Your History text is different from mine. You must have gone to Northwestern University.


31 posted on 05/12/2023 3:06:41 PM PDT by rellic
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To: rellic
As for English and the colony crap we fought a war and won.

Right, and Ukraine is fighting a war now, genius.

32 posted on 05/12/2023 3:07:48 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: rellic

Kyiv (Kiev) was never the capital of Russia. Russia has no more historical link to the Kyivan Rus’ than Romania has to the Roman Empire. Both Russia (Moscovy) and Romania originated from frontier provinces of the earlier empires. No matter how hard the Russian ultra-nationalists try to pretend, this is not an internal civil war, it’s an imperial war of conquest being conducted by Russia.


33 posted on 05/12/2023 3:09:39 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: rellic

Kyiv (Kiev) was never the capital of Russia. Russia has no more historical link to the Kyivan Rus’ than Romania has to the Roman Empire. Both Russia (Moscovy) and Romania originated from frontier provinces of the earlier empires. No matter how hard the Russian ultra-nationalists try to pretend, this is not an internal civil war, it’s an imperial war of conquest being conducted by Russia.


34 posted on 05/12/2023 3:13:20 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: TonyinLA

Lol. Some of them are posting from the Ukraine using old dead accounts. A couple of the “freeps” had fully fledged pro-Uke threads going with numerous links posted down thread on the very first day Russia invaded. Within hours. Total preplanned propaganda sites. Obvious Uke Intel actors pretending to be westerners and spamming the FR.


35 posted on 05/12/2023 3:18:15 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Salohcin

Argue with nthis guy;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27


36 posted on 05/12/2023 3:20:44 PM PDT by rellic
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To: Williams

—”... I can only pray the Russian forces and their vile mercenary prisoners are slaughtered on a mass scale.”

I would have been in agreement until seeing this event within Putin’s great tragedy, human cannon fodder injured men abandoned by their fellow “soldiers?”, not soldiers, not Grunts; not even men, lower than low.
Untrained, uncommitted, and unconnected to those around them; lost.
The injured and abandoned choose suicide, as a Grunt this pains me and I’m clearly a Ukraine supporter and they are/were Russians.

Civilization is just a thin veneer covering human depravity.

I recommend watching the entire video... short on time start at about 6min 30 sec this a safe version do NOT click through and watch the actual event...
Things that try men’s souls.

https://youtu.be/vYd2Ktr0kPA


37 posted on 05/12/2023 3:30:07 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Salohcin

The russkies and the ukes have been slitting each other’s throats for centuries. Mostly uke throats, until the ukes allied themselves with their invading nazi brothers in WW2. Now its back to ukes getting slaughtered. And the Uke NPC’s on this forum will press for more war until the deaths of hundreds of thousands ukes turns into millions. But hey, if that’s what it’ll take to “win” - whatever that is supposed to look like - then Freeper Uke NPC’s are all for it.

The russkies aren’t going anywhere. For all those saying otherwise, please tell me HOW that could possibly occur? The russkies outnumber ukes, outgun ukes, out manufacture NATO weapon factories. Most of the best uke weapons/soldiers are already destroyed. As the ultimate deterrent, the russkies can have a nuke over brussels in minutes if they believe it to be necessary. So tell me, Uke NPC’s, how does “victory” happen? In reality. Actual outlines. Let’s hear it.


38 posted on 05/12/2023 3:36:57 PM PDT by TonyinLA (I don't have sufficient information to formulate an reasoned opinion said no lefty ever.)
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To: TonyinLA
The russkies aren’t going anywhere. For all those saying otherwise, please tell me HOW that could possibly occur? The russkies outnumber ukes, outgun ukes,

If enough Russians are killed, they will leave Ukraine just like they left Afghanistan, where they also outnumbered the Afghans.

39 posted on 05/12/2023 3:40:42 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: rellic
Did you even bother reading the article?

The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestor, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it.

Russia, along with Belarus and Ukraine, are the descendants of the Kievan Rus', just as the Romanians are the descendants of the ancient Romans. Although the name is derived from their ancestors, they are not same as their ancestors.

40 posted on 05/12/2023 4:21:13 PM PDT by Salohcin
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