[Rocco DiPippo]

US out of Ukraine, period, end of story. Not one more penny for that craphole and its corrupt, grifting Globalist puppet. No more spook-directed foreign entanglements and "adventures" that end up enriching the few, killing young men, and fleecing the US taxpayer.

America is currently a complete mess and fading fast. That's where American resources and focus must be right now.

The greatest threat to the West, and specifically America, isn't Russia and it isn't China. It is a relatively small group of leftist/globalist scumbags and nasty ideologues intent on burning the traditional West to the ground and replacing it with a world-wide, totalitarian government run by the few, for the few.

Let the COVID sham be your guide - that was a probing mission and it told the bastards all they needed to know about future assaults on freedom. The main conclusion they garnered from that play was that most Westerners, Americans included, are cowards and sheep who will obey whatever lies and commands the leftist/globalist-run media and their spokesmen tell them. America, and the West, are being conquered from within and the enemy is winning, time after time, battle after battle because the so-called "good guys" never show up to fight them.

Meanwhile, the nice man on the TV instructs people to "Stand With Ukraine," a shithole country that most of them couldn't locate on a map. Ugh.

I don't give a crap about two messed up countries filled with people even more non-virtuous and dysfunctional than Americans are who are duking it out over what is at its core a border dispute, one that's been going on, in various forms, for many decades. Not our circus.

[alexander_busek]

You are engaging in cat-and-mouse tactics, Rocco DiPippo.

You presented one argument ("Russia is a 3rd-World country, a mere shadow of the former Soviet Union; Russia thus poses no military threat to the West!"), I then proceed to eviscerate your "logic," and then you respond by... Posing a new argument.

You should at least first do the honorable thing and admit that your initial argument was based on faulty logic and defective facts, that I effectively refuted it (or, conversely, you can punch holes in my refutation of your initial argument) - and only then introduce a completely different line of reasoning!

Regards,

[BroJoeK]

Rocco DiPippo: "US out of Ukraine, period, end of story."

The US is not "in" Ukraine in the same sense that the Old Soviets were not "in" the Korean or Vietnam wars.
Officially, Soviets supplied equipment only to the Communist forces fighting against Americans.

Rocco DiPippo: "Not one more penny for that craphole and its corrupt, grifting Globalist puppet.
No more spook-directed foreign entanglements and "adventures" that end up enriching the few, killing young men, and fleecing the US taxpayer."

On an index of 180 nations' corruption,

1. Denmark ranks #1, meaning least corrupt.
2. United States ranks #24, slightly less than Taiwan, but slightly more corrupt than Canada, Japan, the UK & France.
3. Ukraine ranks #116, about the same as Algeria and Angola
4. Russia ranks #134, slightly more corrupt than Egypt, but slightly less than Pakistan and Uganda.

You arguments might be correct, if we were talking about, for examples, Armenia vs. Azerbaijan, small, obscure countries, where we are relatively indifferent to the outcome of their border disputes, and only really care about keeping the peace.

But Russia and Ukraine are neither small nor obscure.
They are the numbers one and two in Europe by size, numbers one and six by population, numbers two and ten economically.
Militarily, Russia was considered the world's second strongest, and still first in nuclear weapons.

More important, Russia is the world's greatest revisionist country, it's biggest bully, having invaded or threatened more of it's neighbors than any other country, including China:

1. Azerbaijan (1990–1994);[1][2]
2. Moldova (1992–present);
3. Georgia (2004–present);
4. Lithuania (2006);
5. Estonia (2006–2007);
6. Poland (2006–present);
7. Belarus (2007);
8. Ukraine (2014–present);
9. Syria (2015–present);
10. Turkey (2015–2016);
11. Kazakhstan (2021–2022);[3] and
12. Armenia (2022)[4] amongst others.[5]

My point is, Russia today is just as bullying, belicose, belligerent and dangerous as was the Old Soviet Union, which the United States devoted huge military resources over many decades under the doctrine of "containment".

Rocco DiPippo: "America is currently a complete mess and fading fast.
That's where American resources and focus must be right now."

That is a totally 100% bogus argument because:

1. 100% of our problems today are the result of deliberate radical Democrat policies, not a shortage of money.
   All the money in the world will not help us so long as Democrats are in charge politically.

2. Once responsible Republican government is restored, there will be plenty of money to solve our most serious problems (i.e., the borders), restore our own military and provide aid and comfort to small countries fighting off invasions from aggressor nations like Russia and China.

3. Depriving Ukraine of aid will not help defeat Democrats politically.

4. Supplying Ukraine is not depleting critical weapons stocks, but it is ramping up our capacity, and our allies' capacities, to produce higher volumes of modern weapons.

Rocco DiPippo: "The greatest threat to the West, and specifically America, isn't Russia and it isn't China.
It is a relatively small group of leftist/globalist scumbags and nasty ideologues intent on burning the traditional West to the ground and replacing it with a world-wide, totalitarian government run by the few, for the few."

However true that is, or is not, it's irrelevant to our supplying aid to Ukraine.
Yes, we do have a political problem which will only be solved when we can convince enough of our friends and neighbors to vote Democrats out of office.
But Ukraine has nothing to do with that.

Rocco DiPippo: "I don't give a crap about two messed up countries filled with people even more non-virtuous and dysfunctional than Americans are who are duking it out over what is at its core a border dispute, one that's been going on, in various forms, for many decades."

Sorry, but that is an outright lie, it's not a "border dispute" because Russia officially recognized Ukraine's borders, including Crimea, many times:

1. 1954 Soviet transfer of Crimea to Ukraine (Khruschev)
2. 1991 Belovezha Accords (Yeltsin, Kravchuk)
3. 1994 Budapest Memorandum (Yeltsin, Clinton, Kravchuk)
4. 1997 Russia-Ukraine Friendship Treaty (Yeltsin, Kuchma)
5. 2003 Russia Ukraine border treaty (Putin, Kuchma)

So there is no "border dispute", rather it is simply Russia being Russia and invading its weaker neighbors.