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Catholic hospital takes U.S. government to court over order to extinguish sanctuary candle
Crux ^ | May 4, 2023 | John Lavenburg

Posted on 05/05/2023 7:13:09 AM PDT by Twotone

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1 posted on 05/05/2023 7:13:09 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

There should be no lit candle.....period...common sense. The church has no such right.


2 posted on 05/05/2023 7:16:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau
common sense. The church has no such right.

Churches/religious people have no right to keep a candle burning in a chapel? common sense?

3 posted on 05/05/2023 7:20:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Sacajaweau
Are you serious? You're going to take the federal government's side on this? You've seen the candle and its enclosure and you think there's a real hazard here? This is so obviously an attack on Christianity; harassment of the religious aspect of the hospital. Odd that a FReeper would back the godless.
4 posted on 05/05/2023 7:20:47 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Sacajaweau
"There should be no lit candle.....period...common sense. The church has no such right."

Well then you better get to work. There are at least 17,000 other facilities that need those candles extinguished. For safety reasons, of course.

5 posted on 05/05/2023 7:21:00 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Twotone
I would suggest that this hospital is not a religious institution if it needs taxpayer money to stay in business.

They ought to shake the dust off their sandals, close the hospital down, and move on.

6 posted on 05/05/2023 7:21:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Sacajaweau

oh,pooh.

votive candles don’t burn down churches,socialists do.


7 posted on 05/05/2023 7:21:40 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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I wonder how this case would be viewed if the hospital in question was run by an Islamic organization and blared prayers from a minaret five times a day.


8 posted on 05/05/2023 7:22:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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Yeah. After all, the sound could damage someone’s hearing. Its for safety....


9 posted on 05/05/2023 7:25:31 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Twotone

This is what scumbag government employees do. Government employees are the enemy. Massively cut government and send them to the unemployment line. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain employment in a real job in the private sector.


10 posted on 05/05/2023 7:30:47 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked. "Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly." )
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To: Twotone

I hope they win.

Too much government overreach these days.


11 posted on 05/05/2023 7:34:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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I'm not inclined to have much sympathy for the hospital.

To paraphrase an astute observation from another Freeper:

When you take money from Caesar, you shouldn't be surprised when he forces you to act like a Roman.

12 posted on 05/05/2023 7:40:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Twotone

Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in South Jersey has a tradition of lighting up her statue ,which is atop the hospital, whenever they perform a transplant. They lite her up during my brothers 15 hour liver transplant. Four years now. Still going strong.


13 posted on 05/05/2023 7:42:40 AM PDT by mware ( )
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Doesn't look like a fire hazard to me. And since there is a tabernacle there, the candle should remain.

14 posted on 05/05/2023 7:43:53 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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Every person who demands or even whines that the Catholic Church must sell inspirational and precious items and give the money to the poor, unvented for drug and alcohol abuse or not, should be complaining about this that the church has to waste money on lawyers

Catholics recognize the real presence and signify it with a flame inside a red glass chimney

For millennia

Suddenly we can’t manage a flame

Is there any record of fires being started by these?

This explains why suddenly there is no presence in my stupid baptihospital suddenly

Now Jesus is no longer here in the Eucharist

Let’s see how that goes

They want Jesus out

Anyone who thinks this is stupid or trivial must listen to the exorcists. I recommend Fr Chad Ripperger

They will tell how the evil one believes in the real presence to the point of the possessed being able to choose a consecrated host out of a pile of hosts

This is one purpose. The government this pedophile gang of demonic election stealers driving Jesus- whome they fear and loathe- out

Make no mistake


15 posted on 05/05/2023 7:46:16 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Sacajaweau
There should be no lit candle.....period...common sense.

You're exhibiting zero common sense. And nobody cares whether it's your period.

16 posted on 05/05/2023 7:48:43 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Twotone

This is a case the government will lose. There are thousands of similar sanctuary candles in Catholic churches and other Catholic facilities that have been there since before the model fire codes were even created. The codes have always clearly provided for their allowance and the precedent is clearly set. That this particular candle has been in place since 1960, has passed numerous inspections, is installed safely, and even has fire sprinkler coverage, the idea that it suddenly a menace to society is simply ludicrous.


17 posted on 05/05/2023 7:58:49 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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Yeah, that candle clearly has everything in the world to do with a hospital’s accreditation. /sarc


18 posted on 05/05/2023 7:59:49 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: Sacajaweau
There should be no lit candle.

Why not? Is it some sort of saftey hazard? Can you provide any examples where a votive candle has burned down a hospital that originated from the hospital chapel?

19 posted on 05/05/2023 8:04:13 AM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: stanne
I would suggest that the Catholic leadership of this hospital invited Satan right through its front door by doing business with the U.S. government in the first place.

How easily we forget that parochial schools and Catholic hospitals were established by Catholic bishops in the U.S. back in the 19th century because they had no interest in having their people ruled by the Protestant government of this country.

20 posted on 05/05/2023 8:09:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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