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‘Excessive loyalty’: how Republican giant George Shultz fell for Nixon, Reagan … and Elizabeth Holmes
theguardian ^ | 05/01/2023 | David Smith

Posted on 05/02/2023 11:02:00 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Without Reagan the cold war would not have ended, but without Shultz, Reagan would not have ended the cold war.” This quotation of Mikhail Gorbachev – from the preface of In the Nation’s Service, a biography of George Shultz – now has a bittersweet taste. Reagan died in 2004, Shultz in 2021 (at 100) and Gorbachev in 2022. The cold war is having a renaissance that threatens the legacies of all three.

Throughout the trial, Holmes has been living with her partner in a $135m estate in Silicon Valley. Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes again delays start of 11-year prison term Read more Vladimir Putin has returned Russia to authoritarianism, suspended its participation in the last US-Russia arms control pact and, with the invasion of Ukraine, put the risk of catastrophic confrontation between major powers back on the table.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 001leftynewspaper; holmes; nixon; reagan; shultz
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I thought Shultz was good. Maybe I am wrong
1 posted on 05/02/2023 11:02:00 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I have read part of this article. The part that states Shultz was dismayed with President Trump’s United States first policy - this has always mystified me. Why would an American citizen be dismayed or threatened by such a stance?


2 posted on 05/02/2023 11:10:30 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

A lot of smart people got taken in by Holmes. I don’t think getting scammed makes him a bad guy.


3 posted on 05/02/2023 11:16:41 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Their side circles the wagons. Our side revs up the bus)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What makes him a bad guy is that his grandson was an employee at Theranos and one of the first whistleblowers. Schultz not only did not believe him he disowned him for several years.

Only after the government pressed charges did Schultz acknowledge the grandson was right. But the grandson said he has never apologized for his treatment of him.


4 posted on 05/02/2023 11:21:37 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: ChicagoConservative27

bkmk


5 posted on 05/02/2023 11:21:48 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Holmes scammed many older men who should have known better (Kissinger, Mattis, Channing Robertson, Roger Parloff) but they had two things in mind, I’m going to support “Girl Power” and maybe, just maybe I can get a **** *** too.


6 posted on 05/02/2023 11:23:49 AM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: 7thson

Schultz was in the club where you are forever meeting and chatting with foreign leaders. If you’re in the club and all the foreign leaders don’t like somebody, then you probably wouldn’t like him either.

To trust a politician is ultimately to be taken in. I don’t see how Schultz’s working for Nixon or Reagan means that he was more deceived than someone who worked for Johnson or Carter or Clinton or Obama or Biden or the Bushes was.


7 posted on 05/02/2023 11:25:20 AM PDT by x
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Reagan had a plan for Russia and it worked, probably a plan he had been working on almost his entire life, from his economics degree in 1932, his 6 terms as Union president after the war and during the early Cold War days, and testifying before Congress on Communism as a union president, actions resulting in him carrying a gun, and leading California during the height of the 60s.


8 posted on 05/02/2023 11:26:03 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I don’t know. The way today’s younger people, especially Millenials Gen Z, turn on their elders and outright fabricate things, I’ll take that with a grain of salt.


9 posted on 05/02/2023 11:28:52 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Their side circles the wagons. Our side revs up the bus)
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To: ansel12

“Reagan had a plan for Russia and it worked, probably a plan he had been working on almost his entire life, from his economics degree in 1932, his 6 terms as Union president after the war and during the early Cold War days, and testifying before Congress on Communism as a union president, actions resulting in him carrying a gun, and leading California during the height of the 60s.”

Very good observation


10 posted on 05/02/2023 11:31:38 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

Schultz was infatuated with her. I’d be too.


11 posted on 05/02/2023 11:38:02 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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A lot of smart people got taken in by Holmes. I don’t think getting scammed makes him a bad guy.

You seldom dislike a scammer, just the opposite.

12 posted on 05/02/2023 11:40:11 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 7thson

Because he was an internationalist.


13 posted on 05/02/2023 11:41:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

There’s no such thing as “stuck with Nixon too long”.

The man who won 520 electoral votes and 61% of the popular vote in 1972 was removed by a CIA/FBI coup, and sticking with him to defeat the coup would have been the right thing to do.


14 posted on 05/02/2023 11:44:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble (It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government)
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To: ansel12

Trump, like Reagan, recognized the tremendous power of a strong economy.

Not for enrichment but to project power across the world.

POTUS40 used it to bring down the Soviet empire.

POTUS45 used it to destroy ISIS, control North Korea, and put China’s world domination plans on hold.

One defeated a generational opponent.

The other forced adversaries into trade wars instead of actual hostilities.

By their actions, they cut off the money supply to the military-industrial complex and earned the enmity of the federal establishment.


15 posted on 05/02/2023 11:45:02 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: linMcHlp

Reagan always had a plan and he also always had the private Reagan and the public Reagan, in private he was deep and studious, while he was an actor he was privately serving in the Cavalry as an Army officer in the reserves, his secret Service people say that once the Presidential day was over Reagan would go behind his door to study and read and work.

Always looking casual, but always focused and intense on his internal thinking.


16 posted on 05/02/2023 11:51:20 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: 7thson

> in Reykjavik in 1986 where, had Reagan been more flexible about Star Wars, they might have achieved far-reaching arms control agreements.

I think the article lost me at this point. It’s just regurgitating revisionism to eat away at actual history, not very thoughtful at all.


17 posted on 05/02/2023 11:53:57 AM PDT by no-s (Jabonera, urna, jurado, cartucho ... ya sabes cómo va...)
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> in Reykjavik in 1986 where, had Reagan been more flexible about Star Wars, they might have achieved far-reaching arms control agreements.

I think the article lost me at this point. It’s just regurgitating revisionism to eat away at actual history, not very thoughtful at all.


18 posted on 05/02/2023 11:54:08 AM PDT by no-s (Jabonera, urna, jurado, cartucho ... ya sabes cómo va...)
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To: Bratch

I don’t think the military and our military manufacturing industry disliked Reagan.


19 posted on 05/02/2023 11:56:34 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Nothing to doubt. He was an early whistleblower and one of the government’s star witnesses.


20 posted on 05/02/2023 11:59:28 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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