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Whisper it, but Ukraine may no longer be winning
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | April 28th, 2023 | Colonel Richard Kemp

Posted on 04/28/2023 11:53:39 AM PDT by Mariner

In recent weeks, optimism has been the main feature of analysis regarding Ukraine’s chances this summer, as Kyiv gears up for a major offensive. The failure of Russian forces to gain any significant territory since the winter has, quite understandably, excited Western pundits. But there is a risk that we are over-estimating Kyiv’s abilities and becoming complacent in the process.

Ukraine’s defence minister, Oleksii Reznikov, is now trying to damp down expectations. “It is definitely overheated – everyone wants another victory,” he says. “We didn’t believe in victory before. We used to want Ukraine to survive at least minimally.” His words are a critical reality check for those predicting the imminent collapse of Russian forces. We should all adopt such caution; not just to avoid disappointment, but also because it signals the need to plan for a sharp change of gear in our support for Kyiv.

The Ukrainian army says it has been generating more than a dozen brigades with tanks, artillery and engineers, much supplied by the West, to hurl at the Russians. While continuing to fight in the Donbas, the general staff has been conserving reserves and building them up to form a corps that can have a decisive effect against a strengthening Russian defence. But while this makes strategic sense, the fighting, especially in Bakhmut, has been very costly in artillery shells and missiles, depleting Kyiv’s reserve forces.

Armoured assaults against heavily defended enemy positions – which will define the Ukrainian offensive – are complex operations requiring extensive training and the ability to co-ordinate attack forces, combat engineers, air defence and air support. Yet the picture that emerged in the apparent leaks of classified Pentagon papers is one in which Ukraine will struggle to maintain these functions.

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From the warmongers at the Telegraph.
1 posted on 04/28/2023 11:53:39 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

They were never “winnning”


2 posted on 04/28/2023 11:54:55 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Mariner

don’t tell usmc FReeper person. It’ll break her heart and you’ll find ten new threads about Ruzzian losses.


3 posted on 04/28/2023 11:55:05 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Mariner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kemp


4 posted on 04/28/2023 11:57:18 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: gibsonguy

I agree.
And the 3 “n” spelling “winnning” really makes the point! LOL


5 posted on 04/28/2023 11:57:45 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Mariner

Russian disinformation.

the UA is inflicting a 5:1 kill ratio in Bakhmut - down slightly from 7:1 during the Russian winter offensive. But, oddly, that is interpreted as losing?


6 posted on 04/28/2023 11:58:17 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Mariner

Ukraine was NEVER winning. It’s just that Russia under-performed bigtime.


7 posted on 04/28/2023 11:58:36 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: gibsonguy

They were only winning the filthy degenerate GloboHomo supporters. Everything Biden and Obama touch turns to shit.


8 posted on 04/28/2023 11:59:17 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: Mariner

What?

What?

No way...... the Anglosphere information I’ve been receiving says the Russians are retarded monkeys......a gas station with nukes.

An armistice should’ve been signed “yesterday.”


9 posted on 04/28/2023 12:00:48 PM PDT by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: PIF

“Russian disinformation.”

Dude. You need to see a doctor about that paranoia.


10 posted on 04/28/2023 12:00:49 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

When you’ve lost the Telegraph…


11 posted on 04/28/2023 12:01:57 PM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing )
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To: Mariner

Too early to say if the European Union will win its war against Russia or not.

There will be an offensive once the ground dries. How that goes will give a better idea of what the future holds.

If they take the Tokmak then the door to Melitipol is open — and Melitpol is the gateway to Crimea.


12 posted on 04/28/2023 12:02:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Mariner

Were they ever?


13 posted on 04/28/2023 12:03:23 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: gibsonguy

Amen. They NEVER WERE winning!


14 posted on 04/28/2023 12:04:02 PM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible so to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington )
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To: Mariner

Two completly neutral intellectuals were discussing this months ago and reached a similar conclusion. They also mentioned that it was completely avoidable, but the world will never know that at this point in the timeline.


15 posted on 04/28/2023 12:05:42 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: for-q-clinton
Ukraine was NEVER winning. It’s just that Russia under-performed bigtime.

Doesn't matter that Ukraine is "punching above its weight-class" or that Russia is "under-performing."

It matters only that an authoritarian dictator with expansionist ambitions who has shown blatant contempt towards International Law and committed crimes against Humanity while launching the largest invasion on European soil since WWII be given a lesson he'll never forget.

Regards,

16 posted on 04/28/2023 12:06:34 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: PIF

Is that correct? I heard that according to the leaked info it was 5:1 in favor of Russia. I have no emotional connection to either country.


17 posted on 04/28/2023 12:06:46 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: BenLurkin
Too early to say if the European Union will win its war against Russia or not.

Excuse me, but: How many E.U. boots are currently on the ground in Ukraine?

Regards,

18 posted on 04/28/2023 12:08:09 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Tucker39

True.

No need to “whisper” it....
🔊📢📣


19 posted on 04/28/2023 12:08:55 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: Unassuaged
Yes, it's the reverse, as you heard.

The Ukie lovers are projecting their losses onto the Russians.

20 posted on 04/28/2023 12:09:14 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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