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How Putin's Black Sea Dreams Fell Apart
Newsweek ^ | 4/13/2023 | Ellie Cook

Posted on 04/13/2023 1:00:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

As its Black Sea fleet flagship, the Moskva, reached the depths of the seabed in mid-April 2022, Russia insisted Ukraine had nothing to do with the sinking of the 510-crew guided missile cruiser.

Russian state media provided various explanations for the sinking of the prominent flagship—none of which included a deliberate Ukrainian strike.

Russia's Defense Ministry said a "fire" followed by a "munitions blast" had inflicted "serious damage" on the cruiser, prompting a crew evacuation. "The explosions of ammunition have been stopped," the ministry then said, according to state media, which claimed the ship was still afloat and being taken to port.

Ultimately, the ship then sank after losing "stability due to hull damage" in a "heavy storm," according to the ministry's narrative.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


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1 posted on 04/13/2023 1:00:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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2 posted on 04/13/2023 1:02:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

That’s hilarious!


3 posted on 04/13/2023 1:10:45 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: marcusmaximus

Very good!


4 posted on 04/13/2023 1:17:35 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: marcusmaximus
If Newsweak says so, it must be true …
5 posted on 04/13/2023 1:21:44 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Did Russia ever report how many were lost aboard Moskva?


6 posted on 04/13/2023 1:24:58 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

Putin silenced the families of the drowned sailors and refused to pay death benefit compensation because the sailors were deemed MIA instead of KIA.


7 posted on 04/13/2023 1:30:23 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Moskva no sink. Moskva stronk like Putin.


8 posted on 04/13/2023 1:34:01 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Could have been deemed an act of war.

9 posted on 04/13/2023 1:35:31 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: McGruff
Could have been deemed an act of war but it wasn’t because Putin is a pussy and he didn’t want his ass kicked by the USA.
10 posted on 04/13/2023 1:45:18 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: McGruff

I thought that all US intelligence agencies kept up with are Prolife Americans and Baptist gun enthusiasts.


11 posted on 04/13/2023 1:47:43 PM PDT by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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To: marcusmaximus

*grin*


12 posted on 04/13/2023 1:57:03 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: marcusmaximus

—> Ukraine’s state administration, headquartered in the Black Sea port city of Odesa, wrote on April 13, 2022.

🧐😂


13 posted on 04/13/2023 1:58:28 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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The sinking of the Moskva was more than the missiles. There is the condition of the ship, Russian operations, and a whole lot of arrogance.

Two weeks before the war started, the Moskva's readiness report was leaked on line. The ship was barely seaworthy. The engines were past their service life, the air defense except one CIWS didn't work. The control systems were worn out. The entire class was built as a safeguard if the Kirov class failed, so they were built big and cheap, including damage control.

From what I can tell, she was hit three miles off shore while on a shore bombardment mission, without escorts. Even if her air defense worked perfectly and were updated, they would still have problems on low altitude air targets over land since the land mass creates lots of radar horizons and background problems. The Russian Navy was so overconfident they did not try to screen the most obviously vulnerable and high value asset they had, on a shore bombardment mission another ship could have done, if the mission was worth it at all.

Before she was sunk, on April 3, 2022, Ukraine successfully used a Neptune anti-ship missile to attack the frigate Admiral Essen. Another Russian warship close to shore was fired upon using a BM-21 and a transport sunk in harbor by a ballistic missile. The Russian Navy had to know that Ukraine was absolutely looking for any opportunity to sucker punch the Russian navy and had the means.

The icing on the cake, The Moskva was built in Ukrainian shipyards. They knew the ship and what condition she was in. A NATO reconnaissance aircraft was tracking her, and the Moskva had a regularly schedule maneuvers like clockwork, limited if any variability in her maneuvers.

Given all of that, what was the Russian navy thinking?

14 posted on 04/13/2023 2:19:07 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: McGruff

n o no no
it was a NAZI submarine
(AH might have been aboard!)


15 posted on 04/13/2023 2:31:48 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives )
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To: marcusmaximus
Russian Forces Advance South Of Rose Alley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJSPjDMUFo

The map in Bahkumt doesn't lie:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1-2Smeu-61CyCCdbHQ32Z6uJ6wbGdsZE&entry=yt&ll=48.637070662443044%2C37.89535359221576&z=11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-qXMJOf9-M

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for April 12, 2023:

- Russian forces continue taking territory around the fortified cities of Avdeevka and Bakhmut;

- Russian forces now control much of the west bank of the Bakhmutka River;

- A Ukrainian missile fired deep into Crimea (and intercepted by Russian air defenses) may have been a Ukrainian Grom-2, comparable to the Iskander missile with a range of 500km;

- Despite the capabilities of the Grom-2 and potential NATO assistance to produce them (most likely in Poland) it is unlikely these missiles will appear in numbers large enough to overwhelm Russian air defenses;

- NYT admits Ukrainian air defenses are deteriorating, allowing Russia to more freely use its military aviation;

- While Western analysts claim this development may not translate into Russian success, arriving at this juncture is already very much a Russian success;

16 posted on 04/13/2023 2:41:41 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: McGruff

Send your suggestions to Putin, maybe he will take your advice.


17 posted on 04/13/2023 3:41:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Widget Jr

“ The entire class was built as a safeguard if the Kirov class failed, so they were built big and cheap, including damage control.”.

Just like all their military equipment.


18 posted on 04/13/2023 4:19:30 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: McGruff

Is a list of Russia’s actions that could be equally deemed acts of war necessary, or is it only American actions count?


19 posted on 04/13/2023 5:18:19 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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Everyone is laughing and sneering at how bad the Russians are. Their navy sucks, they can’t capture a pipsqueak little town like Bakhmut, yet we are supposed to believe they are a huge threat to all of Europe. Why, if we don’t stop them all of western civilization will overcome. I think we’re being snookered.


20 posted on 04/13/2023 8:58:53 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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