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1 posted on 04/05/2023 3:12:50 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
For those upholding tradition by not reading even the excerpt:

that Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.

             ;-)

2 posted on 04/05/2023 3:17:07 PM PDT by tomkat (SOTU = FUBAR)
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” “that Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.” “

Let this be a lesson to all who have a little ‘too much’ in withholdings taken out. That is now considered an intent to defraud the government.
There is no way I could have made this one up. OMG!


3 posted on 04/05/2023 3:19:29 PM PDT by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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BTTT


5 posted on 04/05/2023 3:24:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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Bttt.

5.56mm


6 posted on 04/05/2023 3:27:54 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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A government person is actually complaining that someone paid MORE than they should have in taxes, and calls it ‘deceptive’????

I don’t (bleeping) believe it. They’re trying to throw everything at him to see if SOMETHING sticks.


8 posted on 04/05/2023 3:30:12 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Evil won...again.)
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SECTION 175.05
Falsifying business records in the second degree
Penal (PEN) CHAPTER 40, PART 3, TITLE K, ARTICLE 175
§ 175.05 Falsifying business records in the second degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree when, with intent to defraud, he:

1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an enterprise; or

2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise; or

3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position; or

4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.

Falsifying business records in the second degree is a class A
misdemeanor.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.05

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10

The term “intent to defraud” is important.

Defraud means according to my Random House Dictionary “to deprive of a right or property by fraud”. The “de” of “defraud” matters.


9 posted on 04/05/2023 3:30:25 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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What all that boils down to is this: Trump allegedly paid his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, $180,000 in legal fees instead of just $130,000 to reimburse him for the alleged hush money to Stormy Daniels.

The “fraud” here is that Cohen’s payment was recorded as legal fees when Bragg says it was hush money plus an extra fee to cover the taxes Cohen owed on legal fees, but wouldn’t have owed for money transferred from Trump to Daniels via Cohen.

Got that?

I don't "got it."

It sounds like Trump paid Cohen a fee recorded as tax-deductable "legal fees" on Trump's books and recorded as legal fees received on Cohen's books (in the amount of $180,000). And then Cohen paid out a non-deductable amount to Stormy Daniels of $130,000.

That sounds like Cohen reported income (legal fees) of $180,000 but had to pay taxes on the full amount (which is why Trump would have included an additional $50,000 to cover taxes.

Sounds pretty straightforward, but not an overpayment of state taxes. And actually, it sounds like Trump deducted his payment to Daniels (via Cohen) from his taxes as legal fees and I'm not sure that's kosher.

What am I missing here?

10 posted on 04/05/2023 3:32:26 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”)
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This article supports a flaw in the indictment I’ve pointed out.

I don’t believe there was a false ledger entry.

This article reveals Trump paid Cohen MORE than the Stormy Daniels deal.

Cohen paid Daniels. Trump paid Cohen a legal fee which included all this.

The ledger entry wasn’t false. At that time, Daniels was paid off and Trump owed only Cohen money.

Easily proven because at that point the only person who could have sued Trump for the money owed was Cohen.

The ledger entry wasn’t false.


13 posted on 04/05/2023 3:36:00 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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It is funny to read that sentence “Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed”.

But I think what they are trying to say is that he purposefully overvalued his assets, for example claiming his Condo was 30,000 sq ft when it was really only 14,000 sq ft or whatever it was. So he claimed his condo was worth $70 million when it was really only worth $30 million. But he paid property taxes as if it was $70 million. That kind of stuff. Though I don’t know what the crime is even with that. Bank fraud, maybe... but not really if the bank got paid what it was owed. Insurance fraud maybe... if he filed a false claim. But that doesn’t seem to be part of the charges.

Of all the atrocities, of all the problems, this indictment is really an embarrassment and projects weakness. It does not project strength or teach the rest of the world anything about “nobody is above the law”. It teaches the entire world that it is OK to jail or otherwise sideline political opposition on trumped up charges.


18 posted on 04/05/2023 3:41:36 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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So is Sean Hannity next on Braggs list? He has always claimed he has over paid his taxes.


20 posted on 04/05/2023 3:46:19 PM PDT by Parley Baer (WI)
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To: Larry Lucido
after squeaking by with the help of an awesome Lawyer, I once faced a 5 year felony for a 16 year old 135 gram container of pepper mace in my wife's car...

So when I read all the “BS” charges Trump is facing, still get overwhelmed anxious feelings!! (chews fingernails!)

27 posted on 04/05/2023 4:10:38 PM PDT by sit-rep
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According to public announcement and signed affidavit, Clifford said that she did not sleep with Donald Trump.

She threatened to defame, slander and libel PDJT and say that she had an affair with him, unless she was paid money.

Isn't this extortion?

30 posted on 04/05/2023 4:19:22 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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“The problem, you see, is “that Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.”

That...BASTARD!


35 posted on 04/05/2023 4:45:01 PM PDT by lowbridge ("Let’s check with Senator Schumer before we run it" - NY Times)
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To: Taxman

Ping


43 posted on 04/05/2023 8:39:00 PM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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