[kabar]

But Russia has lost so badly that it already wants out of this war. We should get them out of it.

What does that even mean? How does Russia "get out"? How does Ukraine "get out"?

The US is keeping the proxy war going by providing the lion's share of weapons and funds. We pay the salaries and pensions of the Ukrainian government, including the military. We have the leverage to force Ukraine to the negotiating table and end the senseless death and destruction. We could have prevented the second Russian invasion thru diplomacy. Instead we provoked it.

This war has been going on since 2014. Zelensky campaigned as the peace candidate. The longer it goes on the less support it will have from Europe and the US public. We can't continuing borrowing money to fund a proxy war that does not involve our strategic national interests. We are being led by fools.

[ansel12]

“”What does that even mean? How does Russia “get out”? How does Ukraine “get out”?””

Russia quits invading and goes home.

[dangus]

>> What does that even mean? How does Russia “get out”? How does Ukraine “get out”? <<

Negotiated settlement. Armistice. Like WWI, Korea, etc.

It’s the strange effect of the internet. Everyone presumes everyone is an extremist or black-and-white. I actually agree that “We could have prevented the second Russian invasion thru diplomacy. Instead we provoked it.”

[Cronos]

Russia gets out by going back to the borders it agreed to honour in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. And which it reiterated in 2004.

Namely the borders of Ukraine as of 1994

[caww]

It's silly that people seem to think “Russia's losing ground” when in fact his land-bridge remains and slowly gaining more.

Zelensky’s already seeing support from Germany stopped. And there are others who have stopped sending military hardware and ammo they just aren't announcing it. So Zelensky knows he's being put on notice.....he's going to have to accept he's going to loose Ukrainian land they will never get back.