And will be Russian when this is over.
Posted on 04/03/2023 7:37:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble
Ukraine: A Right to Exist
Something to be aware of, something to reckon with: “How Moscow grabs Ukrainian kids and makes them Russians.” That is an extensive report from the Associated Press. And here is an extensive report from the New York Times: “Russia Signals It Will Take More Ukrainian Children, a Crime in Progress.”
My view is: People do not have to read such reports, word for word. They are, of course, tough to bear. But we should be aware of the reality — simply the general reality. And those who want details, of course, can have them...
Symbolic things matter. And I thought the Washington Nationals did something laudable when they asked the Ukrainian ambassador to the U.S. to throw out the first ball on Opening Day...
At issue in the current war is a big, fundamental question: Does Ukraine have a right to exist? Does Taiwan have a right to exist? Does Israel have a right to exist?
I believe those are the only three countries whose very right to exist is questioned. I admire all three, a great deal. I hope they overcome their enemies, and survive, and flourish.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
And, of course, he names three but means one. The US has recognized Taiwan as part of China since 1973, and before that recognized China as part of Taiwan, we have NEVER proposed a "right to exist" for an independent Han Chinese state on that island. Ukraine is acting correctly to defend it's independence, but prominent neocons at NR (and here) have published, over and over again, their fantasy war aims of dissolving the Russian Federation, ending Russia's "right to exist". All this while they flood America with aliens over our Southern border, challenging the right of their own country to exist.
There is no such thing as a "right to exist". Not for Taiwan, not for Ukraine, not for Israel, and not for the United States. Our forefathers came upon this continent, settled here, grew our borders as they saw fit, and killed anyone who disputed our claims until they stopped disputing.
Every nation has the right to defend itself, including Taiwan, Israel, Ukraine - and the United States.
We have enough trouble defending ourselves right at the moment, without involving ourselves in foreign wars on behalf of alien peoples. No, Mr. Nordlinger - any nation's "right to exist" ends when defeated in war. You can "hope" all you want, but you are advocating for a lot more than "hope" from your fellow Americans.
Let's win OUR war, and let your overseas friends win theirs.
Yes, “Right to exist” is often used very selectively (and hypocritically). The neo-cons are the kings of this hypocrisy.
And will be Russian when this is over.
The American people have a right to exist in the United States and Biden is giving our country to the WEF/NWO. The other three countries are on their own. America First.
Weren’t the Russians supposed to have taken Kiev 15 months ago?
How’s that going?
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"Ah yes, [life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness]... Life? What 'right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What 'right' to life has a man who must die to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of 'right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is 'unalienable'? And is it 'right'?
As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.
The third 'right'?—the 'pursuit of happiness'? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can 'pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives—but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can ensure that I will catch it."
Oh yeah? That "right" is disappearing right before our eyes.
Yes it is and that is why this article means little to me. Of course so does Neocon Review. It means little to me.
I have no problem for each of those countries to exist. It is their job to make that happen.
Not fighting proxy wars for other countries would be a good place to begin.
The neocons at the National Review know the jig is about up in Ukraine.
A large part of the United States should belong to Germany, and Mexico, no?
Mexico can have it
Yes, one of those Heinlein tropes where he sets up his straw man and then knocks it over, without ever considering the actual oppositional case.
I first read this uncritically over 50 years ago. It is a blatant and arrogant example of intellectual dishonesty.
The theory of natural rights always acknowledged that rights could be violated. What the theory claims is that humans who violate those rights do not have moral authority to do so.
It is a huge difference.
Unfortunately, Heinlein engages in a lot of this sort of straw man argument in his novels.
Excuse me, but that’s a silly reply.
IF Mexicans in Mexican-majority counties declared for anschluss, and if the Mexican State agreed and attacked the US, then we would (hopefully) start killing disloyal Mexicans and Mexican invaders until they gave up or until our armies got to Guatemala.
This is the only real-world solution to sustaining your existence, and it is available to Mr. Nordlinger’s three favorite countries. As he says, “I admire all three, a great deal. I hope they overcome their enemies, and survive, and flourish”.
I’m glad he admires them. I would admire him more if he put his money where his mouth is and enlisted (or enlisted his children) in AFU, IDF, or the Taiwanese army.
I wish he would leave my people out of it.
When you throw a coup, you only have a right to what you can control by forces. Everyone else in the nation has the sand right to grab what they can also. When the Donbass did exactly what the Kiev rioters did, Kiev sent Nazi militias east to attack them.
That weakens any right Kiev had when they started pounding the Donbass with artillery and passing ethnic cleaning laws.
However silly the Mexican thing is, I would allow New Wakanda composed of South Carolina (all of it), southern half of Georgia and Alabama, Missisippi (all of it), and a new state formed from southern Arkansas and northern Louisiana.
It’s distasteful, but all the alternatives are worse.
Then, the southwest of US and all of southern California is in deep s**t!
No, it isn’t. It’s no sillier than the map I was responding to. Absurdity can be a two-way street.
Showing the map of Ukraine and the over 24% part (how high up does it go? 30%, 35%, 45%) being Russia does NOT mean those parts are free for Russia to steal or to annex.
Ukraine is a legitimate nation recognized by the United Nations. Its territory can be taken in a war by force, but that doesn’t make it legitimate. Right now, they are fighting back. Whether the win or lose is still to be determined.
I agree with your analysis, except for the part about “rights”.
Russia is IN THE RIGHT, but they only HAVE THE RIGHT what they can take and keep. And, of course, like Edmund Ruffin yanking the rope on Columbiad #1 on Morris Island in the dawn of April 12, 1861, recourse to the laws and usages of war means that there’s no pissing and moaning after you lose.
Alabama is only 26% black, the rest mostly white. Those large areas on the map are very low population density counties with less than 10,000 people each.
There’s less blacks in Alabama than Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina and Louisiana.
We’re not giving up half.
Ooooh! The United Nations!
OK then.
Are you an American? No offense meant, but the Euros always seem to take that UN nonsense seriously, so I thought you might be one of them.
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