Report: DeSantis Donors, Supporters Begin to Question if He Should Run in 2024 or Wait Until 2028

Bingo...It became very clear this week that DS isn’t ready for the big show.

The only reason Trump couldn’t win would be massive cheating by the Dems. Other Repubs couldn’t win just as much, although the Dems wouldn’t need to cheat as much to beat them

Yes he did. Go back and look at his congressional record. He voted with Paul Ryan on just about everything.

There was no legislative proposal introduced by Ryan to defund Social Security. Period. Defunding Social Security would mean ending the SS trust fund. The law establishing SS would have to be amended. The only other thing I can think of would be repealing the FICA payroll tax. Neither was proposed. There would have been a HUGE uproar. I don't recall any proposal on SS of any kind during the Ryan years. Do you actually recall such a thing? If so you're having a hallucinatory episode.

Out of curiosity I did a search on "republicans defund social security" and all these articles popped up of Biden and other Democrats accusing the Republicans of WANTING TO defund it. That's a lie the Dems have been telling forever.

Then you/Trump say not just they want to but actually TRIED TO defund it. You are even going beyond the disgusting lie the Democrats keep telling over and over. I'm not sure even Biden would try to get away with that one.

Look who his chief of staff is....a Bushite

Do you believe what you say or are you a pathological liar? I looked up who his chief of staff is. It is James Uthmeier. He has no connection to the Bushes. He only graduated from college in 2010. He served in THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION as a Senior Advisor and Counsel to U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross.

I get the SAME feeling conversing with you as I do with a psycho leftist over bogus claims like Trump colluded with the Russians etc. Fact free claims, non sequiturs, hallucinatory statements etc.

there was no legislative proposal introduced by Ryan to defund Social Security. Period. Defunding Social Security would mean ending the SS trust fund. The law establishing SS would have to be amended. The only other thing I can think of would be repealing the FICA payroll tax. Neither was proposed. There would have been a HUGE uproar. I don't recall any proposal on SS of any kind during the Ryan years. Do you actually recall such a thing? If so you're having a hallucinatory episode.

Ryan wanted to privatize it - which DeSantis supported. That sells with Libertarians. That doesn't sell with the Northern and Western working class.

Then you/Trump say not just they want to but actually TRIED TO defund it. You are even going beyond the disgusting lie the Democrats keep telling over and over. I'm not sure even Biden would try to get away with that one.

Trump and Ryan clashed over this when Ryan was still Speaker.

"In particular, Ryan wants to curb spending on the giant “entitlement” programs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. “How you tackle the debt and the deficit,” the speaker declared recently, is by “entitlement reform.”

"More than any other contemporary Republican leader, Ryan represents the philosophical tradition that opposed their creation in the first place."

But Ryan entered politics as a devotee of 20th-century author Ayn Rand, who opposed tax-and-spend benefit programs as immoral confiscation that sapped the power of capitalism. More aggressively than most, he has refused to accept the major entitlement programs in their current forms, insisting on spending curbs rather than tax increases as the path to solvency.

Thus the speaker has supported partial privatization of Social Security, conversion of Medicare to a “premium support” program for purchase of private insurance, and per-beneficiary Medicaid limits that would reduce federal spending by hundreds of billions of dollars.

"Trump, pledging not to touch Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, galvanized “forgotten” blue-collar whites anxious about threats to their benefits."

That was from one of the very first links that popped up. The only one engaging in fantasies here is you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/26/political-reality-stands-in-way-of-medicare-social-security-cuts.html

I get the SAME feeling conversing with you as I do with a psycho leftist over bogus claims like Trump colluded with the Russians etc. Fact free claims, non sequiturs, hallucinatory statements etc.

That's funny, because I get the same impression conversing with you ie Ignorant, hyper defensive, and just not very bright. DeSantis isn't ready for prime time. Trump is crushing him. Deal with it.

Who’s message? Still questioning your narrative.

Because like it or not trump is really more of a liability at this point... he just is.

I will vote for him, if he’s the nominee, if he’ll stop attacking other conservatives. But he’s got to stop destroying the future of the conservative party with his lies.

You nailed it for sure!

Why? Primary season is when THE PEOPLE vote for who they think will be the BEST candidate.

It’s not a coronation, boo.

Trump has the 2024 nomination “sewn up” IMHO. DeSantis can wait until 2028. I think Trump is unnecessarily attacking DeSantis with his mean girl tactics and his attacks are only hurting himself.

You're moving the goalposts like a leftie psycho.

You said that DeSantis was willing to go along with something .

Now you just talk about a general concept that Ryan favors. It was never a concrete proposal. So obviously DeSantis could not have gone along with it. There was nothing to go along with nutjob.

Moving the goalposts is another thing psychotic lefties like you always do. It's like when you point out to a psycho lefty like you that there's zero evidence of Trump collusion with Russia, they then say "Of course he must have colluded - he wouldn't criticize Putin to his face!". That constitutes proof of something in a psychotic brain. Your "logic" is along the same lines.

I want to see where Trump colluded. The psychotic leftie doesn't need to provide such evidence. It's just obvious that he did. I want to see where DeSantis backed defunding SS and Medicare.

I think I know the next psychotic direction you'll take. You'll say we can assume DeSantis wants to defund SS and Medicare because "He voted with Ryan on everything". Was there anything wrong with the specific things he voted with Ryan on? But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. Which Republican Congressman had a good conservative voting record according to you? Apparently the function of Republican conservatives was to vote like a Democrat when Ryan was speaker. If we look at the voting records of all the Republican Congressmen, then the real conservatives consistently voted with the Democrats I guess. Which ones were they anyways?

You're moving the goalposts like a leftie psycho. You said that DeSantis was willing to go along with something . Now you just talk about a general concept that Ryan favors. It was never a concrete proposal. So obviously DeSantis could not have gone along with it. There was nothing to go along with nutjob.

WOW! You're an obsessed moron. DeSantis voted for it.

There are numerous links to be found showing that if you bothered to look. Putnam ran ads against him in the Republican Primary emphasizing the point that he voted with Ryan to cut medicare and social security. Naturally, Democrats used that against him too.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/feb/22/desantis-watch/house-ron-desantis-voted-rein-medicare-spending-cu/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/kfile-ron-desantis-privatize-social-security-medicare/index.html

https://www.tododisca.com/en/social-security-news-ron-desantis-voted-against-seniors-rights/

let me guess, here is where you will whine about the sources because you can't deny he did in fact vote for Ryan's plan.

Moving the goalposts is another thing psychotic lefties like you always do. It's like when you point out to a psycho lefty like you that there's zero evidence of Trump collusion with Russia, they then say "Of course he must have colluded - he wouldn't criticize Putin to his face!". That constitutes proof of something in a psychotic brain. Your "logic" is along the same lines.

I want to see where Trump colluded. The psychotic leftie doesn't need to provide such evidence. It's just obvious that he did. I want to see where DeSantis backed defunding SS and Medicare.

See above or any of a number of other sites. All you have to do is actually look instead of just emoting....like a standard lunatic leftist.

I think I know the next psychotic direction you'll take. You'll say we can assume DeSantis wants to defund SS and Medicare because "He voted with Ryan on everything". Was there anything wrong with the specific things he voted with Ryan on? But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. Which Republican Congressman had a good conservative voting record according to you? Apparently the function of Republican conservatives was to vote like a Democrat when Ryan was speaker. If we look at the voting records of all the Republican Congressmen, then the real conservatives consistently voted with the Democrats I guess. Which ones were they anyways?

He also backed the Maidan Coup in Ukraine....exactly the kind of Neocon meddling/forever wars we've been stuck in for 20 years.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/flashback-did-ron-desantis-support-the-maidan-coup-of-2014-in-ukraine/

Let me guess, you'll respond with more whining and more invective. He either did vote for these things or he did not. Which is it? We both know he did. I actually like DeSantis' record as Governor. All I've said is he's not ready yet. He needs more time to put more distance between where he is today and some of his past votes. Working class voters in the North and West are unlikely to overlook his votes to cut social security and medicare and they are likely to look upon his voting record in Congress and think him sympathetic to the Neocons when they do not want any more forever wars. You of course reacted like a hysterical high school girl about it.

I looked at the CNN article. The ideas he expressed support for are not in any sense "defunding" anything.

Under the proposals, the government would subsidize seniors by partially paying for private plans or a traditional Medicare plan. "I would embrace proposals like [Rep.] Paul Ryan offered, and other people have offered, that are going to provide some market forces in there, more consumer choice, and make it so that it's not just basically a system that's just going to be bankrupt when you have new people coming into it," DeSantis told the St. Augustine Record

"I think people who are low income will probably be given coverage that is similar to what they have now," he said in the interview with the St. Augustine Record. "I think people like me, who've been more successful, it's not even that I will have to pay more. I will have premium support that's going to guarantee me a certain amount of coverage."

Calling that "defunding", the word you (and maybe Trump) keep using, is baloney. It's the kind of thing Biden, Clinton, Pelosi and Obama would say.

Actually the current arrangements are literally "defunding" the programs because the outflows will soon exceed the inflow of payroll taxes. That will deplete the trust funds, which is literally defunding them. The solution would be either to increase taxes or reduce the outflows in some way. I guess you'd say increase taxes like a good little Democrat.

I looked at the CNN article. The ideas he expressed support for are not in any sense "defunding" anything. Under the proposals, the government would subsidize seniors by partially paying for private plans or a traditional Medicare plan. "I would embrace proposals like [Rep.] Paul Ryan offered, and other people have offered, that are going to provide some market forces in there, more consumer choice, and make it so that it's not just basically a system that's just going to be bankrupt when you have new people coming into it," DeSantis told the St. Augustine Record "I think people who are low income will probably be given coverage that is similar to what they have now," he said in the interview with the St. Augustine Record. "I think people like me, who've been more successful, it's not even that I will have to pay more. I will have premium support that's going to guarantee me a certain amount of coverage." Calling that "defunding", the word you (and maybe Trump) keep using, is baloney. It's the kind of thing Biden, Clinton, Pelosi and Obama would say. Actually the current arrangements are literally "defunding" the programs because the outflows will soon exceed the inflow of payroll taxes. That will deplete the trust funds, which is literally defunding them. The solution would be either to increase taxes or reduce the outflows in some way. I guess you'd say increase taxes like a good little Democrat.

I'm just telling you why DeSantis is not ready for a presidential run and would not be able to get the votes of working class Northerners and Westerners. You can be hyperdefensive about it if you like but its reality.