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To: ChicagoConservative27

It most certainly can be called a territorial dispute. It’s also an invasion by Russia into a sovereign neighbor that was a long time Soviet possession and victim of horrific treatment by Stalin. But not directly, ie. by treaty commitment, a vital national interest of ours. DeSantis’ remarks were exactly on target.


4 posted on 03/14/2023 11:13:05 AM PDT by katana
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To: katana
It most certainly can be called a territorial dispute. It’s also an invasion by Russia...

"Invasion" is a more precise description than saying it's a "territorial dispute".

It's an invasion. Doesn't mean that we should be involved in it. We have more important things right now to take care of, for example our border. We can't afford to be involved in Ukraine.

But that doesn't mean we should be wimpy about calling it what it is in order to justify our inaction.

12 posted on 03/14/2023 11:39:25 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: katana; SeekAndFind; marcusmaximus; dennisw; SpeedyInTexas; Monterrosa-24; familyop; MalPearce; ...

“But not directly, ie. by treaty commitment, a vital national interest of ours.”

Have you forgotten we were directly involved in persuading Ukraine to return all the nukes in its territory to Russia saying we would defend them for doing so. So now we are defending them, which also defends our word and our honor. I don’t know what there is on paper, probably there is something, but definitely a moral commitment to oppose naked aggression.


14 posted on 03/14/2023 11:56:32 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: katana

Calling this war a “territorial dispute” is an EXTREMELY shallow understanding of what is going on. The territorial bit, while now seized upon (justifiably, IMO) by the Ukies as a reason to fight, is / was only a modest aspect / initiating factor (out of several larger) compared to deeper motives & forces, and even at that is almost as much a consequence as a deeper factor.

If this is really what Gov. DeSantis thinks, I am deeply disappointed in the depth of his understanding. Even if he is a bit busy running FL.


17 posted on 03/14/2023 11:57:23 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: katana

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25 posted on 03/14/2023 12:29:11 PM PDT by Firehath
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katana: "It most certainly can be called a territorial dispute."

Nonsense. The US today has several border disputes with Canada and neither country intends to invade the other over them.

The US did fight a war against Great Britain, in 1859, over the US-Canada border dispute in the San Juan Islands, between Washington state and Canadian Vancouver.
It was called the Pig War, partly because a stray pig triggered it and turned out to be the war's only casualty.
In the end, the German Emperor, Wilhelm I, arbitrated a settlement that both the Brits and Americans accepted.

Those are real border disputes.

What Putin is doing in Ukraine is trying to restore the old Russian Empire through military conquest.
That is a very different matter.

katana: "DeSantis’ remarks were exactly on target."

I would totally trust Pres. Trump to negotiate a war ending deal between Russia and Ukraine.
I can't think of anyone else who could do it.

34 posted on 03/14/2023 2:23:55 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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