Posted on 03/04/2023 4:10:52 AM PST by george76
I was in the military and I wouldn't have applied for an exemption either. I would have threatened to arrest anyone who tried to issue me the order. The order was unlawful - period.
“The military is considering discharging servicemembers who did not seek a medical or religious exemption to the COVID-19 vaccine“
These people are the only military members still serving unvaxxed
There are zero medical exemptions in the military and the military is getting sued for turning down exemption requests and kicking people out
Mercilessly impeach all the political leadership of the DoD until the rest of the leadership understands it.
Is that what it is? 40% of the country is unvaxxed?
My son joined the Marines after HS. He served 4 years honorably and did not reenlist. The @#$% airlines would not even let him fly back without being vaxxed.
I imagine it’s a matter of choice and freedom. Demanding you take an experimental vax removes any choice and freedom you think you might have.
Religious and medical justifications are fine, but only those criteria count? You have to convince leadership you are exempt because of your religion or a medical condition?
Only your “leadership” can decide if your religious concerns or medical condition(s) count? In that case, you may have your own concerns that you wish not to share and keep private but leadership passes judgement on your decision.
With the military having the default position of “convince me,” why bother, just refuse.
I’ve had COVID (68-yr old with lung damage) and it was milder than the flu, so why would I have to take a shot they said will protect me when it doesn’t, and why should I take a shot they now says protects others from me? Even if they also had the shot?
Shifting standards and almost daily changes to the shot protocols, makes sense to hold off until things are sorted and viable.
“. . .you don’t even realize that people in the military are subservient by definition. . .).
No sir, they are not. They are trained to be aggressive warriors (well, should be) and being a warrior you can’t be subservient. You are supposed think for yourself, make decisions on your own because combat is fluid and missions and orders change at a moments notice and leadership is not tied to your hip, therefore requiring you to think and act on your own, and of course refuse to follow illegal orders, etc. Hardly “subservient.”
Lie?
“Why the hell would they want to get back into the military?”
Because they are warriors serving in defense of our great nation, putting service before self. Selfless.
“Freepers I know who requested medical or religious exemptions from their employers’ vaccine mandates were successful”
The military is not a civilian workplace.
Religious and medical justifications are fine, but only those criteria count? You have to convince leadership you are exempt because of your religion or a medical condition?
Allowances for religious and medical exemptions are aimed at meeting legal requirements, so seeking them is a sound basis to act in anticipation of a potential legal challenge in the future.
Only your “leadership” can decide if your religious concerns or medical condition(s) count? In that case, you may have your own concerns that you wish not to share and keep private but leadership passes judgement on your decision.
That's fine, but my point here is that I can't imagine why someone who thinks this way would ever willingly put himself in a position where he'd be subject to orders that are driven by political considerations first and foremost.
I’ve had COVID (68-yr old with lung damage) and it was milder than the flu, so why would I have to take a shot they said will protect me when it doesn’t, and why should I take a shot they now says protects others from me? Even if they also had the shot?
That's all true. But you can apply that same reasoning to ANY vaccination that is mandatory under U.S. military standards -- and has been for years.
Thay all take orders from someone else — don’t they?
That's an odd statement in light of how this nation has progressed in the 75+ years since the end of World War II.
If you want to defend this great nation, the U.S. military is probably one of the last places where you'll end up doing such a thing.
See post #42. That post said nothing about whether the “organization” in question is a civilian, government or military workplace.
The chain works. You get the mission brief and once engaged with the enemy, your leadership may be somewhere else engaged in fighting their own fight.
When it comes down to it, each engagement is a solo effort (maybe backed up by your peers). That means you execute the mission and like it’s been said, “no plan survives first contact with the enemy.” You adjust and change to kill and remain in the fight.
What also is well known, ““A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.” – Soviet observation during the Cold War.
That means we flex and change and are not rigidly following doctrine/orders, unlike the Soviets/Russians or China and Koreans.
Those countries are subservient all the way. Side bar: when I was talking to an Egyptian colonel that flew in the 7-day War, he said he had an Israeli jet on his tail and shooting the beejesus out of him BUT he was so subserviant that he had to call his boss and ask for permission to eject.
An American general summed it up in a pithier manner: "If we don't know what the hell we're doing, how is the enemy going to figure it out?"
“Employers” to me, that is a civilian term. I guess my 20-plus years in the military defaulted my mind to read “employers” as civilian, not military. And I have not met one vet that had his waiver approved. . .too include sincere Catholics.
Pleasure to meet you where disagreement doesn’t make us enemies.
True. . .true. . .and funny.
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