Posted on 03/03/2023 8:37:14 AM PST by Mariner
Business Insider is a liberal propaganda sheet. Doubtful. It seems to be true that the Russians have surrounded Bakhmut. But anything else is speculation, especially how much the Ukrainians “Need”. All Our ammo belong to them!
Silenced, by the Military-Industrial Complex. All those billions flowing to Ukraine are flowing right back into the pockets of the MIC and politicians. Why end (win) a war when you can make a fortune fighting it?
Take them off full auto and aim each shot.
The only thing that matters is the final outcome.
I find the battle for Bakhmut to be kind of interesting... it has raged on an incredibly long time - despite the greatest expenditure of bodies and ammunition of the war... all for a city that holds relatively little strategic value - but it apparently is a moral and figurative thing.
It’s where each side chose to fight.
That makes it strategic.
Like Gettysburg.
The Battle of Bakmut will be over soon.
“Heavy weapons and lots of armor forming up on the dry high ground for when the Orcs move out of Bakhmut and across the soggy wet lands”
Source?
Yes. There are more small cities in the region that will take similar amounts of time, blood and munitions to capture. I know many people here don't care about any type of military analysis, because they are basically cheerleaders for the Z-man and Ukraine/Azov gang (PIF, SpeedyInTexas, C-Mom), or else wallow in the ridiculous thing Slow-Poke posts every day, but there are channels where people actually follow the day-by-day, meter-by-meter aspect of the war. Some have a bias, several try hard to provide balance (for instance by showing both the Russian provided map, and the USAxis provided map).
For instance, the Military Summary Channel
And it's from this video I learned that there is another city not too far away (to the South) that is anticipated to be much harder than Bakhmut to capture. Bakhmut was only fortified a few months ago, until then it was a normal city. Whereas the city in question was fortified beginning in 2014, after the Donbas citizens began their quest for autonomy. So, it's had 9 years of entrenching, fortification, combat engineering, passage digging and what ever else the krafty kommandos of U'Kraine have been able to figure out.
Also, it's mud season, not the best time to drive tanks across the steppes.
3 NATO BCTs would throw them back across the Donets into Russia where they came from. Restore the status quo. War-mongering Putinists would be despondent.
“or will the next little industrial town 30 miles down the road be the same thing?”
Ukraine has set the gold standard for layered defense.
Russia has been remiss in not taking out the logistics first.
I received bayonet training, although I believe that it was discontinued in the 1990s. In the early 2000s, we were training in knife-based hand-to-hand combat.
I prefer fighting with a bayonet over a knife, however that is after I run out of bullets.
Bullets, then bayonet, then knife.
See: Battle of Verdun, 1916.
This one will be over soon.
How do you figure that? Zaporizhzhia is a city of 800,000 and not a single Russian invader had set foot in there. Didn’t the tin pot czar wave his fairy wand and declare that part of Russia now? What’s the hold up?
“Obviously the Ukrainians need much more devastating weaponry.”
They won’t get it.
I think the Ukrainians feel if they tactically withdraw from Bahkmut that the West will view it as a loss and it will impact the aid that is provided.
The Russians cannot really say they hold the Donbas without Bahkmut and that was allegedly Putin’s #1 goal when he invaded.
The media on both sides have not helped because they have tried to build up the drama around this town which is not very consequential from a strategic standpoint except for a major intersection, but every city has intersections.
It appears from what I can tell (none of us have the real picture) that the Ukrainians would be well served to tactically withdraw to the new defensive line on higher ground to the West of Bahkmut. They have been preparing new positions. It seems foolish to stay in trenches while getting pounded by Russian artillery, but they must disagree because that is what they are doing.
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