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To: tlozo

“AND that is the problem with dealing with the Russians and signing any agreements.”

Can’t remember ANY statements from the Russians that match what’s come out of the West this year...so I can’t blame them if they decide to fully liberate Ukraine.


25 posted on 03/01/2023 7:09:24 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Can’t remember ANY statements from the Russians that match what’s come out of the West

Please, don't play ignorant. Russian propagandists on Russian tv have called for nuking the West.

26 posted on 03/01/2023 7:21:06 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: BobL; tlozo
you should remember the Budapest Agreement
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States

According to the three memoranda,[5] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia, and that they agreed to the following:

  1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
  2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
  3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
  6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.
So Russia has reneged on its promises 1,2, 3 and 5

So, as tlozo pointed out, the Russians renege on their agreements.

28 posted on 03/01/2023 11:09:29 AM PST by Cronos
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