Posted on 02/27/2023 3:32:50 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
Hi... Your energy problem in the NE is that your stupid -eco-evil governors will not allow cheap fracking gas to be piped up from Pennsylvania. They will not allow the gas pipelines to be built. Where does your electric come from? My guess is a mix of gas fired plants and hydro from Québec. In the good old days you burned coal.
Add 20,000 for battery replacement.
The problem really comes for the poorest people who buy older ICE cars. The most expensive repair for an ICE vehicle is a replacement engine or transmission at around $3k (and it can be done for far less), and with reasonable care those can last 250k miles or more. Making even the most expensive repair cost around a penny a mile.
EV batteries currently cost too much to allow for any kind of extended used market. Coming up with $3k for a new engine is doable for most people. Coming up with $15k to $30k for a new set of batteries? Forget about it.
WRT selling stuff at a charging station.
The challenge is how SLOWLY you can ‘turn a table’ so to speak.
Customer pulls in, connects charger, HAS to be there 30-75 minutes. Rate of incremental revenue is pretty slow — maybe 2 customers per breakfast/lunch hour per charging station.
*IF* I were a restaurant operator at a high-traffic charging stop, I would definitely find a way to have folks know I was there, serving them, and offered a spiff/incentive. Maybe even a loyalty program is I was along a commuter route.
A possible high-volume location is one near an apartment/ condo where the ‘city folk’ love their EVs, but there’s not enough chargers at the complex. Set up along their normal traffic patterns, capture them for 45 - 60 minutes in the AM. Even if you charge a big mark up on charging, like ChargePoint does, you’d get both ends of the deal - the merchandise and food service AND the electricity ‘up charge.’
Any time you can capture net income from the preening peacocks, catering to their sensitivities, it’s a good thing.
What the heck, you could even mount solar panels over the charging/parking areas and tout ‘green energy’ even though the power generated would be remarkably trivial. “Come buy your green electricity here while you drink you inclusive, responsibly grown and harvested latte extra shots - and use our high-speed Wi-Fi.”
It would work ;-)
FYI the euroweenies have deployed a different model of charger, wherein the pedestal supports a wide variety of cables that YOU bring with your car to the charging pedestal. The pedestals are quite sturdy/armored.
Copper-theft or general a$$hole vandalism opportunity is minimized.
The government says it wants to build charging stations every 50 miles on interstates. I think I-85 in Alabama sums up how this will work out. At the exit that would have the charging station, the EV drivers can plug in at the Biden station, while everyone else can go across the street to Buc-ee’s, which will probably have their own places to plug in(because they have everything else). When the market dictates that gas station owners can make money by having a few charging stations, they will install them. That would be better than the way things are now anyway because places to plug in your electric car are not always near the exit like gas stations are.
Hoodrats will probably just sabotage the charging stations for kicks.
Re #17, under the commerce clause in the constitution. EVs cross state lines and require charging stations. The government has the authority to put these in just like building roads.
“(Reuters) - Armed with billions of dollars, the Biden administration is embarking on the biggest transformation of the U.S. consumer driving landscape in generations, hoping to blanket the nation’s highways with electric vehicle chargers.”
It takes years to build a road. How are they planning on lining the landscape with EV chargers?
It takes years to build a road. How are they planning on lining the landscape with EV chargers?
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JMO. It takes years to build major highways but the charge
stations can be installed near current exit ramps now and be
expanded as new roads are built.
For the record I’m not in favor of this mass installation but
some changes take time and this is no different.
Is t that stretching the commercial clause? Roads are one thing but fuel? Since when.?
Copper nearing $4.00 a pound Biden administration open market for the homeless.
Manicures...more like pediatric massage therapy....see Adam Shiftty and his Liddle. Girls
See, there goes an opportunity in a sea of negative posts. Clearly location will mean everything.
They wouldn't unless they were taking a road trip. I took a quick look at the Tesla supercharger map for Montana. Tesla has just enough chargers so people driving I94 don't get stranded if they decide to drive through Montana during decent weather conditions...
and in CA during a Brownout/Greyout ???
Sorry only 10 minutes of charge per car today ...
Only 40 cars at 10am and 2pm...
Shades of the 1974 gas lines in OR except it was 10 gallons and only on the odd/even days depending on the last digit of your license plate ...
I agree with this. If you pull into a busy gas station there is safety in numbers. I guess the same can be said for busy charging networks. A big box store I shop at has Tesla superchargers. The store recently brought in several portable camera surveillance systems for the parking lot. I haven't heard of any violent crimes in the news, but they put those portable systems in for a reason. I believe the store closes at midnight...
“If you must sit in a car in one location for a long recharge, you become prey to violent criminals.”
Or stupidity. When I was younger, quite a while ago, dates used to go to drive-in theaters. Best make out idea ever invented for youth who couldn’t afford a secure place to get it on. But it also led to one little problem that was never discussed...damage.
I have no idea how many speakers were torn from their pedestal and tossed onto the roadside a few miles up the road. Nor did I never understand why the theater owners didn’t just put a box next to the road outside the theater a little ways for the ripped out boxes to be put in to salvage parts.
And if there are only a couple of charging units available, I wonder how long they will last for public use? Get ready. The competition for charging time will get limited as even more of the operation units that are going to be damaged increase, some for stupidity and some for fun. If they can burn up a town for their professional football team losing, (or winning), what chance does a charging unit have?
wy69
“If you must sit in a car in one location for a long recharge, you become prey to violent criminals.”
Or stupidity. When I was younger, quite a while ago, dates used to go to drive-in theaters. Best make out idea ever invented for youth who couldn’t afford a secure place to get it on. But it also led to one little problem that was never discussed...damage.
I have no idea how many speakers were torn from their pedestal and tossed onto the roadside a few miles up the road. Nor did I never understand why the theater owners didn’t just put a box next to the road outside the theater a little ways for the ripped out boxes to be put in to salvage parts.
And if there are only a couple of charging units available, I wonder how long they will last for public use? Get ready. The competition for charging time will get limited as even more of the operation units that are going to be damaged increase, some for stupidity and some for fun. If they can burn up a town for their professional football team losing, (or winning), what chance does a charging unit have?
wy69
Yep, I agree as more EV’s are being sold I think it is likely that fights and shootings will break out at charging stations over who got there first...
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