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"The imperial formula is officially adopted: Russia does not end anywhere" A few days before the invasion, sociologist Grigory Yudin described exactly what the war would be like. Medusa talked to him about how it will end
Meduza ^ | 10: 00, February 24, 2023 | Margarita Lyutova

Posted on 02/25/2023 1:04:06 AM PST by Zhang Fei

— You have repeatedly said that, in your opinion, Putin will not stop in Ukraine. What exactly do you have in mind? Moldova, the Baltic States, or a self-destructive war with the United States?

— In principle, such a worldview has no boundaries. This formula has been adopted almost officially: Russia doesn't end anywhere. This is the standard definition of an empire, because an empire doesn't recognize any borders.

Borders in Europe appear in 1648, when the Westphalian system was formed, which later gradually ends with empires. There is an idea that there are borders between countries: "Here we are, and here you are." The Empire does not recognize this idea: "We are where we managed to reach. And you — where we just didn't have time to go. When we get there, you won't be there, we'll be there."

This logic, in principle, does not accept any borders, and it is no coincidence that we do not hear from Russian officials any recognition of the legitimacy of at least someone else's borders. The maximum that we can hear [about where the borders are] is a situational feeling that there is a certain West, and this is probably something alien to us. Not that it's not ours at all, but there is already a zone that will be very difficult to get there. The West is understood, of course, in the [ideological] sense that existed in the Soviet Union.

I remind everyone about [Putin's ultimatum to the United States and NATO] in December 2021 — it is extremely serious, it says in plain text that all of Eastern Europe is Vladimir Putin's sphere of influence. How it will be formalized, with the loss of formal sovereignty or not-what difference does it make? In addition, this zone undoubtedly includes East Germany-simply

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: kickback; putin; russia; ukraine
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To: canuck_conservative
NATO is the only thing that kept (and continues to keep) Europe from being overrun by warmongering Russian invaders!!

Europe can police their own back yard. If they aren't capable, we've wasted untold trillions and years creating a Euroweenie welfare state.

41 posted on 02/25/2023 6:57:01 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: lump in the melting pot
NATO expansion began in earnest in 1991 precisely because all of Russia’s former colonies instinctively knew there was a brief respite before Russia once again became a threat, and joining NATO was their best hope to remain free. Unlike the Warsaw Pact or the Soviet Union, no nation is forced to join or stay in NATO at gunpoint.

excellent answer, thank you

and that's what all the NATO-haters refuse to accept or admit


42 posted on 02/25/2023 6:58:01 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe Russian-free for 75 years ... you're welcome)
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To: NorseViking
Are you supporting a genocide when it is against wrong people?

He is supporting mass genocide of Canadians, but he thinks he represents decency, morality and democracy to ecuse the depradations of the Anglo-American empire.

43 posted on 02/25/2023 7:01:49 AM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Europe can police their own back yard

Europe asked for US help, and the US provided it

nothing says the US can't help allies

you got a problem with friends helping friends?


44 posted on 02/25/2023 7:05:30 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe Russian-free for 75 years ... you're welcome)
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To: canuck_conservative
Europe asked for US help, and the US provided it

Shouldn't have, but since I don't remember seeing an article about a request, please post, if you have it. I'm betting you do not, but I'm open to seeing it if you do. Also, a strong europe would not need to ask for help. They could handle it against a paper tiger like the one Zeepers call Russia.

you got a problem with friends helping friends?

Countries do not have friends. They have interests. In this case, we have no compelling interest in Ukraine.

45 posted on 02/25/2023 7:08:07 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: canuck_conservative
why should Russian borders end somewhere?

oops WorseViking let the mask slip a bit there...
46 posted on 02/25/2023 7:12:33 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: foundedonpurpose

You are correct, Moldova and Chechnya (’90’s), Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014 onward). Putin’s russia has a consistent record of invading its neighbors to expand its territory. Textbook imperialism.


47 posted on 02/25/2023 7:18:54 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Countries do not have friends. They have interests

that's your opinion


48 posted on 02/25/2023 7:19:55 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe Russian-free for 75 years ... you're welcome)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
In this case, we have no compelling interest in Ukraine

actually that's not true ...

(1) America has an interest in saving a democratic country

(2) and America has an interest in weakening a hostile enemy, especially since it's being done with zero American troops killed

(3) other countries are watching, so if Russia wins, it will only encourage other menacing aggressors around the World, creating more problems for America

so you're wrong at least 3 times (probably more)


49 posted on 02/25/2023 7:28:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe Russian-free for 75 years ... you're welcome)
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To: canuck_conservative; aMorePerfectUnion
Countries do not have friends. They have interests

I actually agree with that statement, a country is sort of like a corporation, a legal entity that cannot have thoughts or emotions. It only has legal rights and legal obligations for motivation.

However, it definitely is in the compelling interest of both the United States and of European countries to treat russia like nuclear waste. Contain it with its own borders until it decays into something less harmful.
50 posted on 02/25/2023 7:30:42 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: bert

No. Although Italy has the second highest U.S. presence in Europe, the total is 12,436 troops, 4,081 belonging to the Army (Mostly Vincenza), 4,742 Air Force (Aviano AB) and 3,497 Navy (Naples Naval Shore Facility).

I’ve been to all three, and closed several others that no longer have US Troops.


51 posted on 02/25/2023 7:35:04 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Alas Babylon!
Also:

US military presence in Europe

Europe is home to at least 60,000 US troops. At 33,900, Germany has the highest number of US troops in Europe – and the second highest in the world – followed by Italy at 12,300 and the UK at 9,300. However, the number of US troops stationed in Germany has more than halved between 2006 and 2020, dropping from 72,400 to 33,900.

52 posted on 02/25/2023 8:14:13 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Zhang Fei
https://sonar21.com/americas-delusional-military-fantasy/

One of the lessons that should be learned from the war in Ukraine on the anniversary of the start of Russia’s Special Military Operation is that the United States has the most expensive military in the world but is totally unprepared to fight a first world power. During the last year we have learned that javelins, stingers and HIMARS are not game changers for Ukraine. The war in Ukraine has exposed the weakness of the U.S. and European military industrial base. NATO has lost its ability to produce essential ammunition required to sustain Ukraine’s needs in the battle and lacks stockpiles of tanks and armored vehicles that Ukraine begs for on a daily basis. The U.S. is no longer the industrial behemoth that churned out tanks, planes, aircraft carriers, destroyers and bombs in the Second World War.

Russia, for its part, continues to steadily advance along the entire 1000 mile front (not as fast as a bunch of arm chair generals want) and is inflicting massive casualties on the Ukrainian forces. At no point since February 2022 has Ukraine been able to mount a counter attack against a numerically equal Russian force. Ukraine’s much ballyhooed offensive from last August/September was against an outnumbered group of military police and Russia managed to effect a professional tactical retreat.

The real game changer is Russia’s industrial base. Russia has the natural resources, the factories and the skilled workers to produce the weapons, vehicles, tanks and planes it needs to sustain its forces in the field. The Biden Administration, the media and the pundits in America fail to grasp this reality. Instead they continue to repeat the lie that Russia’s economy is in tatters and drowning under the weight of U.S. sanctions.

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t is true that U.S. forces took control in 2003 of sizeable chunks of Iraq and occupied Baghdad. But the Iraqi Army lacked air power and effective artillery. Yee haw!! America beat up the kid in a wheel chair. Let us not forget that the United States’ policies in Iraq also spawned a deadly insurgency and led to the birth of ISIS, which carried out epic terrorist attacks in Europe, the Middle East and America. Iraq displayed the impotence of U.S. military power to create a stable political order.

I really question the intelligence of a person who touts the “U.S. rolling over the Taliban and Al Qaeda in 2001 – 2002” and blithely ignores the U.S. ignominious defeat in Afghanistan in August 2021. The Taliban that we supposedly vanquished took back Kabul and forced the United States into a panicked withdrawal. Oh yeah. The U.S. abandoned thousands of Afghans who we had promised previously to protect.

And then there is the ghost of Vietnam. “We won every major engagement against the Vietnamese communists.” So what! Killing Viet Cong in the jungles and mountains did not prevent the North Vietnamese from sweeping down and vanquishing the South Vietnamese government. Here again, U.S. military power was impotent to create a political outcome that served U.S. national interests.

Most Americans indulge the fantasy that if we just use more military force (i.e., more cowbell). This insanity continues to posses the political class controlling Washington and they show no sign of relenting in their quest to destroy Vladimir Putin and magically transform Russia into a lackey of the West. That is what is at stake in Russia’s war in Ukraine and the majority of the Russian people, not just the political and military leaders, understand this threat.

We are witnessing the end of the era when the strength of the U.S. economy and its control of the world economy via the petro dollar enabled Washington to pursue its reckless, multiple overseas military expeditions.

53 posted on 02/25/2023 8:28:44 AM PST by Kazan
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To: NorseViking

“Poland can’t do squat.”

The Poles would chew your drunken Orc savages up for breakfast and **** them out before dinner time.

L


54 posted on 02/25/2023 8:31:43 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Empire doesn’t recognize any borders.

Chins is still using Mao’s 100 year plan and look at what they have gained.

Stalling an economy is the best tool to prevent such actions.


55 posted on 02/25/2023 8:43:47 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: Zhang Fei

The ones advocating no sovereign borders are the globalists.


56 posted on 02/25/2023 8:51:42 AM PST by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022. )
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To: lump in the melting pot

In your wet dreams. The US has done what is the mean time. Expansion, expansion and again expansion.


57 posted on 02/25/2023 9:36:53 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: canuck_conservative

“ NATO is the only thing that kept (and continues to keep) Europe from being overrun by warmongering Russian invaders!!”

NATO is a joke.


58 posted on 02/25/2023 9:42:04 AM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Zhang Fei
"Putin and Xi ultimately share the same goal as Klaus Schwab and the globalists -- the destruction of the Western nation-state, which has been the basic organizing unit of the functioning world since the Peace of Westphalia four centuries back."

59 posted on 02/25/2023 10:20:53 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: NorseViking
"Given that Poland and Baltic states are discussing the split of Russia and having [sic, surely you meant "halving" ] its population, why should Russian borders end somewhere?"

Because people like you should gladly accept your perpetual serfdom to the West, our commercial invasion far more debilitating that another Winter Campaign, and finally, from that, you should realize none of you are meant to rule so much as one block of Otrádnoye, Kapótnya or Cherkizón. LOFL. Brush up on your Mandarin, comrade. Mao's prohibition on f-cking with Mother Russia is over.

60 posted on 02/25/2023 10:36:17 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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