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To: BroJoeK

BroJoeK,

I appreciate your points. Until the US secures it’s own borders and its elections we have no moral authority in Ukraine or frankly anywhere else... Our country has given up its moral authority by accepting rigged elections. The psychopaths running our country have power, but in the end it is illegitimate and everything we do will fail because of it... Right now the Government of the United States is at war with its own people. (The heart of the corruption is in the US Senate) Long story there. But until the US Government is reconciled with the people through free honest elections we are going to be staring into the abyss... all of us, the entire free world. (and are we really free when the government is corrupt and riggs elections)

Now you dismissed Mearsheimer, you dismissed all the other data I showed you that there was a Coup in Ukraine in 2014. You will probably dismiss Elon as well even though he put is life and fortune on the line to give Ukraine Star Link Coverage.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1629417851890159616

“Never get into a land war in Asia” I think the quote goes...

If you want to get me on your side, then we need a reckoning in the US on our elections, the boarder and the Biden’s/DNC/McConnell money laundering operations that has been going on in Ukraine for years. The corruption between the US and Ukraine is at the heart of the conflict. Cleaning up the corruption in the US is key to getting out of it. If we end up in WW3, we will be forced to cleanse the corruption in the US in order to survive but it will be at the cost of Billions of lives. Better to rip the scab off and get a solution before it’s too late.


124 posted on 02/25/2023 5:28:59 PM PST by WinstonSmith1984
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To: WinstonSmith1984
WinstonSmith1984: "Until the US secures it’s own borders and its elections we have no moral authority in Ukraine or frankly anywhere else...
Our country has given up its moral authority by accepting rigged elections."

That's complete rubbish, total nonsense! Nobody needs moral authority to defend themselves against foreign invasion!
We don't need any moral authority to help Ukrainians fight off Russian invaders.
"Moral authority" is a 100% mute issue here.
There's no complicated argument, there's no "on the one hand this, on the other hand that" -- none of that.

It's really, really simple -- Vlad the Invader invaded Ukraine, Ukrainians have 100% moral right to defend themselves and we have huge national interests in seeing Ukraine succeed.
So take your "moral authority" and shove it where the sun don't shine, FRiend.

WinstonSmith1984: "until the US Government is reconciled with the people through free honest elections we are going to be staring into the abyss... all of us, the entire free world. (and are we really free when the government is corrupt and riggs elections)"

And yet... and yet... life goes on regardless and the First Law of Human Behavior cannot be repealed and it is: weakness provokes aggression from bad people.
Vlad the Invader sees our weakness and aggresses Ukraine.
If Vlad is successful, the Xi-snake will see his opportunity to invade Taiwan, and the list goes one.

WinstonSmith1984: "Now you dismissed Mearsheimer, you dismissed all the other data I showed you that there was a Coup in Ukraine in 2014."

What you call a "coup" is strictly hyperbole.
In fact it was nothing more than Ukraine's version of impeachment.
Putin's Puppet Yanukovich fled to Moscow, the next day Ukraine's parliament removed Yanukovich from office and installed an interim government.
Three months later new elections were held and pro-Ukrainians were elected to replace Putin's puppets.

WinstonSmith1984: "You will probably dismiss Elon as well even though he put is life and fortune on the line to give Ukraine Star Link Coverage."

I don't have a problem with "Elon", is he now saying we should abandon Ukraine to Putin's tender mercies?
I don't think so.

WinstonSmith1984: "If you want to get me on your side, then we need a reckoning in the US on our elections, the boarder and the Biden’s/DNC/McConnell money laundering operations that has been going on in Ukraine for years. "

But, FRiend, in all sincerity, I don't want you on my side because you are clearly politically insane.
Most of what you think you know is pure fantasy, there's no real evidence for it, it's all just wild narrative in search of some scraps of data to latch onto.
You're not trustworthy.

WinstonSmith1984: "The corruption between the US and Ukraine is at the heart of the conflict.
Cleaning up the corruption in the US is key to getting out of it.
If we end up in WW3, we will be forced to cleanse the corruption in the US in order to survive but it will be at the cost of Billions of lives."

I agree there is a long list of problems that can relatively quickly be corrected by a more conservative Republican congress and president.
But if you are waiting for the USA to become a perfect heaven-on-earth before you can support us, then you're no good to anybody, not even to yourself.

You cannot sacrifice good Ukrainians to evil invaders in the name of our "lost moral authority".
That is mind boggling insanity.

130 posted on 02/25/2023 9:54:43 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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