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WinstonSmith1984: "Even NPR explains it..."

No, your article is from June 2014 and they explained nothing like you say.
Here is the money quote from that article:

"Russian defense officials are talking about a new doctrine of subversive warfare between major world powers.
They accuse the West of using popular uprisings to topple unfriendly governments.
And some analysts say Moscow itself is employing that strategy in eastern Ukraine."

In other words, Russian leaders are simply Democrats in Ushankas -- they accuse their opponents of whatever evil deeds they themselves are committing.

Your article provides no evidence of ANY US government influence in Ukrainian politics.

WinstonSmith1984: "There were more votes than voters in PA and NV.
The truth is out there and in the data..."

Sure, some people claim that, and others say, in effect, "not so fast".
This article discussed Pennsylvania's alleged over-voting.
At the end it gives us the money quote:

"According to the final tally released by the DoS, a total of 6.96 million Pennsylvania voters actually voted in the 2020 election, amounting to 76.5% of registered voters."

WinstonSmith1984: "Also, if Trump had said anything to the Tech Oligarchs other than “stay out of it,” it would be what they needed to hang him."

And so they hung him anyway? No, what Trump said at the time was he didn't want to be beholden to them and that's totally reasonable, but it may also have cost him the election.

Again, my point here is that things are not as simple or cut & dried as you suggest.

WinstonSmith1984: "Putins version of a coup is not one of palace intrigue but one where he sees Russia losing its agency in the world."

That's insane, a total abuse of language. Any idiot can take today's worst trends, project them out into the future and conclude Armageddon is just around the corner.
That does not provide anybody with legitimate excuses to go invading and murdering their neighbors, not even Vlad the Invader.

WinstonSmith1984: [Putin] "literally lays it all out in his speeches but western media is so corrupt it can’t even take time to listen to what the man says before they get back to narrative manipulation."

Because it's totally insane. Putin's "bad feelings" give him no rights, no authority, no permission, no consent, no license or approvals to invade his neighbors and murder their citizens.

By any measure, Putin's actions are pure evil and your eagerness to defend him says there's something wrong between your ears too.

WinstonSmith1984: "If the cartels running this country wouldn’t have rigged our elections, we wouldn’t be staring at the abyss.
Stop rigging elections and we can figure out what the truth is. "

And yet... in 2022 Republicans in Congress won most contested election and gained the majority, some in the same disputed states Biden won.
How is that even possible if everything is secretly controlled by Democrats?

WinstonSmith1984: “Even NPR explains it...”
No, your article is from June 2014 and they explained nothing like you say.
Here is the money quote from that article:

“Russian defense officials are talking about a new doctrine of subversive warfare between major world powers.
They accuse the West of using popular uprisings to topple unfriendly governments.
And some analysts say Moscow itself is employing that strategy in eastern Ukraine.”
In other words, Russian leaders are simply Democrats in Ushankas — they accuse their opponents of whatever evil deeds they themselves are committing.
Your article provides no evidence of ANY US government influence in Ukrainian politics.

BroJoeK... We told Moscow back when the Soviet Union fell we would not expand NATO... and yet we did. We ran a color revolution to dispose VLADs guy in Ukraine in 2014, that is not in dispute and well supported. I am not saying that VLAD is a good guy, just that he is acting rationally. Try this on for size https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

WinstonSmith1984: “There were more votes than voters in PA and NV.
The truth is out there and in the data...”

Sure, some people claim that, and others say, in effect, “not so fast”.
This article discussed Pennsylvania’s alleged over-voting.
At the end it gives us the money quote:

“According to the final tally released by the DoS, a total of 6.96 million Pennsylvania voters actually voted in the 2020 election, amounting to 76.5% of registered voters.”
BROJOEK- you are referencing SNOPES which is a “Narrative Manager” not a fact finder. The overall all vote is not the point, look at ALL the precincts that had more votes than voters... it comes out to about 750K over votes... not possible yet they certified the election.

WinstonSmith1984: “Putins version of a coup is not one of palace intrigue but one where he sees Russia losing its agency in the world.”

That’s insane, a total abuse of language. Any idiot can take today’s worst trends, project them out into the future and conclude Armageddon is just around the corner.
That does not provide anybody with legitimate excuses to go invading and murdering their neighbors, not even Vlad the Invader.

BROJOEK- again we need to be adults... Putin saw himself going the way of Khadafi, he likely is rational in his mind and in any case everything he did was predictable (Because he told us what he was thinking) , I am not defending him or his actions I am just saying that on the national stage he should have seen strength in the west and not subversion. He is reacting to a combination of weakness in the west and subversion within his sphere of influence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNqBLmJLOJU

WinstonSmith1984: [Putin] “literally lays it all out in his speeches but western media is so corrupt it can’t even take time to listen to what the man says before they get back to narrative manipulation.”

Because it’s totally insane. Putin’s “bad feelings” give him no rights, no authority, no permission, no consent, no license or approvals to invade his neighbors and murder their citizens.

By any measure, Putin’s actions are pure evil and your eagerness to defend him says there’s something wrong between your ears too.

BORJOEK- What I see going on is that we are literally laundering money back into our political system through Ukraine which brunted the red wave and the cry of the American people to stop the insane policies which are literally killing us domestically and have us on the edge of Armageddon. (SEE FTX BITCOIN AND SBF) And add this to your thought bubble... President Z has outlawed political opposition and has taken over dictatorial powers internally. (Oligharchs in Ukraine are mysteriously dying as well from time to time now) Z is not a good guy he is a corrupt thug just like President P. Put me in the camp with John Mearsheimer, we led the Ukrainian people down the primrose path and they are being slaughtered because of it.

WinstonSmith1984: “If the cartels running this country wouldn’t have rigged our elections, we wouldn’t be staring at the abyss.
Stop rigging elections and we can figure out what the truth is. “

BroJoeK it is not secretly controlled by Democrats, it is controlled by the uniparty and the cartels. What is happening in AZ (https://thelibertydaily.com/bombshell-expert-witness-reveals-installed-az-governor-katie-hobbs-laundered-cartel-money-through-fake-deeds-and-mortgages-to-rig-elections-including-her-own/) right now is likely going on in GA, PA, WI, MI, NV. (If our FBI and DOJ weren’t corrupt... we might have been able to avoid all of this)

Again, I appreciate your analysis but your arguments seem to be more focused on the flees on the elephant than the elephant in the room.

No one believes Joe Biden received more legitimate votes than any other President in history.
Why do they believe that... because they all saw real time voter fraud happen and it was in their face and Joe Biden told us he assembled the most diverse voter fraud organization in history.

We have an illegitimate regime running this country, we know our media lies to us on a grand scale to keep control. (Russia Collusion for 4 years)

In our hearts we all know that this level of corruption will lead to the destruction of the west.

We need Russia as a balance against China and we have driven two powers together that can actually take down the west...

What to do? Have the DOJ and FBI launch an multistate RICO case on voter fraud and pull the bandaid off on the internal US corruption (This will take us down if we don’t eventually). While that works itself out, tell Europe, Ukraine is now their problem and we will happily support a negotiated peace. Fire Victoria Nuland and anyone else who facilitated the Ukraine grift. Get NATO back to doing large scale military drills and get the members to meet their obligations. Reestablish all our critical internal supply chains so we can defend ourselves against China. (OBTW, all that was happening before the rigged election of 2020)