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Biden makes surprise visit to Ukraine for first time since full-scale war began
CNN ^ | 5:06 AM EST, Mon February 20, 2023 | Kevin Liptak

Posted on 02/20/2023 2:18:05 AM PST by Zhang Fei

President Joe Biden visited Kyiv on Monday for the first time since Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine almost a year ago, demonstrating in dramatic personal fashion his commitment to the country and its struggle as the war enters an uncertain new phase.

While in Kyiv, Biden met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as well as first lady Olena Zelenska at the Ukrainian presidential palace.

Biden’s visit comes at a critical moment in the 12-month conflict, with Russia preparing for an expected spring offensive and Ukraine hoping to soon retake territory. The United States and other western nations have been rushing arms, tanks and ammunition to Ukraine in the hopes of changing the trajectory of the war.

By visiting in person, Biden is offering a singular image of American support for Zelensky, who has spent the past year attempting to rally the world behind his home nation and appealing for greater levels of assistance.

Zelensky himself traveled to Washington in December to meet Biden in the Oval Office and speak to a joint session of Congress – his first trip outside Ukraine since the war began.

The Ukrainian leader invited Biden to visit Kyiv months ago, saying he believed it was important for the US leader to see the situation up close.

“I think he’s the leader of the United States, and that’s why he should come here to see,” Zelensky said in April during an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper. As recently as last week, Zelensky said his invitation for Biden to visit Ukraine remained open, even as he acknowledged there were other means for them to speak.

“President Biden and I meet occasionally. You know that we have invited the President. I think he will be happy to visit Ukraine if he has the opportunity.

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To: null and void

Military aid to Ukraine is very misunderstood because military accounting is faulty and good people don’t know that.

When the military acquires an artillery rocket with a 40-year expiration date in 1984 for $2000 then they will record its value as purchase price * inflation for all these years until the decommission date.

This rocket might be listed as $10,000 in the year 2023 and will turn to -$1,000 the next year because it costs $1,000 to decommission it.

That is illogical, but that’s how they do their accounting.

If you give this rocket to Ukraine now then it records as a $10,000 donation and you’ve rid yourself of that rocket. If you wait until the next year then you have a $1,000 liability because you have to destroy the expired artillery rocket.


21 posted on 02/20/2023 2:56:15 AM PST by Krosan
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To: WKUHilltopper

[CNN?? It’s BS. No doubt stock video. Biden is in DC sitting on his favorite toilet and sniffing his favorite staff.]


I don’t understand the skepticism. Biden is probably safer in Kiev than he is in DC. Putin understands what will happen if he goes after Biden. What was a half-assed supply effort for Ukraine will go into overdrive.


22 posted on 02/20/2023 2:58:58 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Go Red Blob!


23 posted on 02/20/2023 3:01:11 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: 4Runner

Putin and his warmongers are not Christian.


24 posted on 02/20/2023 3:08:46 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: Zhang Fei

What about Palestine Ohio? This man is truly a giant POS!


25 posted on 02/20/2023 3:09:36 AM PST by spincaster
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To: Zhang Fei

Probably to pick up his “10% For The Big Guy” Check.


26 posted on 02/20/2023 3:09:42 AM PST by fedupjohn (Waiting for Trump's new Caribbean Resort "Club Gitmo" to open for business! )
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To: Zhang Fei

No worries, Jao Xiden is just the bagman for Hunter these days knowing the feds will protect him from any crimes.


27 posted on 02/20/2023 3:10:17 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: null and void

... to clarify. I took the decommissioning cost - $1,000 - from an M26 artillery rocket. That’s how much it costs to destroy it.

Other costs I didn’t check and just made up examples as a concept.

Even with only looking at the M26 rocket - it will likely cost something like $30 to transport it to Ukraine and $1,000 to destroy it. You gain $970 for every rocket and it is likely to be recorded as a huge donation.


28 posted on 02/20/2023 3:11:10 AM PST by Krosan
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To: Zhang Fei

Went to pick up his 10% personally...


29 posted on 02/20/2023 3:11:38 AM PST by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: 4Runner

Re: 5 - oh grow up, and knock it off.


30 posted on 02/20/2023 3:11:45 AM PST by Fury
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To: buwaya; Zhang Fei

>> We on this side of politics need to grin and bear it.

No, “we” don’t.

So who do you two report to at State? Victoria Nuland, directly?


31 posted on 02/20/2023 3:13:49 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: buwaya; Zhang Fei

>> We on this side of politics need to grin and bear it.

No, “we” don’t.

So who do you two report to at State? Victoria Nuland, directly?


32 posted on 02/20/2023 3:13:49 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Krosan

Thanks


33 posted on 02/20/2023 3:19:36 AM PST by null and void (You can’t have a police state without a state police.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Did he travel by balloon to reduce his carbon footprint?


34 posted on 02/20/2023 3:20:34 AM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness
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To: Highest Authority

If only the secret service would abandon biden close to a roadside tank


35 posted on 02/20/2023 3:21:37 AM PST by no-to-illegals (The enemy has US surrounded. May God have mercy on them.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Burisma the golden goose for Biden family, is therefore now under Zelensky control, with the Russian owners fled to Russia. Great time for Biden to go to Ukraine to collect his 15% (that 10% was when Biden was vice president under Barack Hussein).


36 posted on 02/20/2023 3:21:50 AM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: spincaster

>> What about Palestine Ohio? This man is truly a giant POS!

Yes, and what about Texas, Arizona, New Mexico? What about 150,000 AMERICANS! dead each year from Fentanyl? What about defending AMERICA for a change, you giant POS Biden?


37 posted on 02/20/2023 3:22:28 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Nervous Tick

The liberals just love this war, don’t they? I remember in 1965, they couldn’t get enough of Lyndon Johnson’s escalation and stupid war strategy. Four years later, it was “Nixon’s War” which he tried to resolve while the liberals did everything they could to undermine it. The same thing will happen with Ukraine. Unbelievably crazy.


38 posted on 02/20/2023 3:23:05 AM PST by laconic
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To: spincaster

WH is wagging the dog very hard.

Congressional hearings must be going well!


39 posted on 02/20/2023 3:24:08 AM PST by 4Liberty (The Media has become one big ad for the sino-industrial complex.)
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To: Krosan

Krosan: [Military aid to Ukraine is very misunderstood because military accounting is faulty and good people don’t know that.

When the military acquires an artillery rocket with a 40-year expiration date in 1984 for $2000 then they will record its value as purchase price * inflation for all these years until the decommission date.

This rocket might be listed as $10,000 in the year 2023 and will turn to -$1,000 the next year because it costs $1,000 to decommission it.

That is illogical, but that’s how they do their accounting.

If you give this rocket to Ukraine now then it records as a $10,000 donation and you’ve rid yourself of that rocket. If you wait until the next year then you have a $1,000 liability because you have to destroy the expired artillery rocket.]


The issue with Biden’s policies re Ukraine isn’t even the money authorized by Congress. The way Biden is supplying Ukraine with weapons, if he could get away with it, he’d try to pull the same trick Truman did in starving the Nationalist government while pretending he was doing his best, by putting an absurd value on the equipment sent. Imagine the guy sending one M-16 rifle and assigning to it a value of $100b. That’s the kind of sleazy stunt he would pull if anyone weren’t looking. General Wedemeyer had Truman’s number, but being a soldier instead of chief executive, could do nothing about Truman’s policies:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Coady_Wedemeyer#Postwar
[These had been promised by Lend-Lease, but not delivered and still charged to Chaing’s account. Thus, while the Nationalists had over 16,000 trucks virtually all of them were rendered inoperable, forcing his troops to march on foot. Ammunition shortages were also causing Nationalist divisions to lose battles, and Chaing’s troops were forced to scavenge abandoned American dumps because no deliveries had been made. Even worse, much surplus weaponry and ammunition in the Pacific was being destroyed rather than utilized, and Chiang’s government was charged exorbitant prices for what remained. For example, bazookas were sold to Greece at $3.65 apiece, while Chiang’s government had to pay $162. For rifles, the price difference was $5.10 and $51, respectively. Ammunition cost differences were similar, China being charged $85 for 1000 rifle rounds and $95 for 1000 machine gun rounds, compared to $4.55 and $4.58 elsewhere. Wedemeyer recommended an immediate correction of these deficiencies and sending leftover equipment to China rather than blowing it up.

Lacking confidence in the Nationalist government caused by Joseph Stilwell and George Marshall’s meddling, President Harry S. Truman not only rejected the recommendations in the report but also imposed an arms embargo against the Nationalist government]


So what Biden is doing is sending Ukraine equipment near their scrap dates as slowly as he can, instead of war-winning gear that will inflict on Putin a quick defeat so the war can end, much as Trump’s destruction of hundreds of Russian mercenaries ended Russian intrusions upon the US-supported Kurdish sector in Syria. Thereafter, US-Russian relations improved, as Putin understood that the US with Trump as president was not a power to be trifled with.


40 posted on 02/20/2023 3:25:14 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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