Posted on 02/17/2023 7:11:02 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
They would be using too much ammo and would have to cut their targeting in half - perhaps each pilot could be supplied with a coin to toss before targeting.
What pilots, whose pilots? Whose F16s?
“The one with the rifle shoots!.....”
Transition training an experience UKR MiG pilot would take 2-3 months based on specific mission requirements.
JDAMs are already being shipped to UKR.
U.K. Eurofighters are also in consideration, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of the weapons the Eurofighter can carry.
There are conflicting reports on the pilot training time frame, as well as to whether F16s would actually be provided by anyone (and certainly in a timely manner) and from what I have read in the European media, very very doubtful Ukraine will get any Eurofighters.
I’ve been inside MiG-21s a few times. Nothing like F16s.
But who knows whether to trust what one reads? Personally, I doubt everything I read about this war.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Ref the JDAMs. Lots of loose talk about converting them to ground-to-ground for UKR rather than air-launched. I confess I have no idea how realistic such talk is.
I believe what you are referring to is Small Diameter Bombs (SDB).
The Ground Launched SDB has already been developed and tested by Boeing and SAAB. However, the GLSDB is a product in search of a customer.
Below is a link to a marketing video by SAAB.
https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb
No, I distictly recall it was JDAMS. Again, it may have been pie-in-the-sky thinking (lots of that going around).
Search did not turn up much on the fly, but this one is kind of interesting:
I can easily believe the JDOMs conversion to ground-to-ground weapons is nonsense. There were also reports refuting the reports this was possible and being done.
I hate fly consider myself myself a munitions expert. And so I am leery of all these reports.
Oh dear. Spellchecker got me again. “hate fly” = “hardly”
True.
No one will really know until the aircraft are delivered and flown in Ukraine by Ukraine pilots.
My personal belief, based on my personal experience is 2 to 3 months.
Fair enough. I guess we’ll see.
Thanks for being reasonable, knowledgeable and polite. Seriously.
And I meant my last most sincerely. Hope to see more from you here.
If I have any questions about weapons or munitions, I will ping you if that's OK.
Please do ping me! I would most appreciate it. But again, I hardly consider myself a munitions expert. I’m more about learning than teaching in that department.
I hope/assume this is sarcasm on your part. I have to assume that someone is telling leadership that it’s great we’re helping the UKR forces but we still have to defend our own asses first. Right now I don’t believe Russia is going to go past UKR but no one is giving core ammunition stocks unless they are already a speed bump in an advance. Lend/lease and selling ammo is fine if you can afford to do so and can make more which seems the England can’t speed up.. Nobody planned for this and if they could it still take months to years to ramp up production and logistics. For example, I believe Iraq may still owe Russia billions of dollars for the shiny, brand new tanks and vehicles we destroyed in the 1990 Gulf War. Russia asked Iraq not to go to war with the US led forces but they did and we made Swiss cheese in the desert. So we are in a catch 22 with UKR now with providing lethal aid and making sure the can pay for the toys after this feud is over.
The curious thing is we did very much plan on this. This little war has actually been going on since 2014.
BTW....tanks all melt the same way...so sending bigger better tanks are just sending tanks.
Russia is not going to loose this war....all their leadership has said so...they will continue the war because Ukraine was and is their red line...they will never let Ukraine become a Nato member....rather destroy it until it collapses no matter how long it takes.
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