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Ukraine Must Use Guns and Ammo Sparingly or Risk Running Out, Minister Warns
Breitbart ^ | 02/17/2023 | Peter Caddle

Posted on 02/17/2023 7:11:02 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: FtrPilot

They would be using too much ammo and would have to cut their targeting in half - perhaps each pilot could be supplied with a coin to toss before targeting.


41 posted on 02/17/2023 9:56:44 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF; FtrPilot

What pilots, whose pilots? Whose F16s?


42 posted on 02/17/2023 10:07:27 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“The one with the rifle shoots!.....”


43 posted on 02/17/2023 10:08:19 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CatHerd
Netherlands have offered their F-16AM/BMs that they are retiring.

Transition training an experience UKR MiG pilot would take 2-3 months based on specific mission requirements.

JDAMs are already being shipped to UKR.

U.K. Eurofighters are also in consideration, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of the weapons the Eurofighter can carry.

44 posted on 02/17/2023 10:22:05 AM PST by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

There are conflicting reports on the pilot training time frame, as well as to whether F16s would actually be provided by anyone (and certainly in a timely manner) and from what I have read in the European media, very very doubtful Ukraine will get any Eurofighters.

I’ve been inside MiG-21s a few times. Nothing like F16s.

But who knows whether to trust what one reads? Personally, I doubt everything I read about this war.


45 posted on 02/17/2023 10:37:57 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: PIF

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.


46 posted on 02/17/2023 10:38:34 AM PST by shotgun
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To: FtrPilot

Ref the JDAMs. Lots of loose talk about converting them to ground-to-ground for UKR rather than air-launched. I confess I have no idea how realistic such talk is.


47 posted on 02/17/2023 10:42:26 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd
JDAMs are not being converted.

I believe what you are referring to is Small Diameter Bombs (SDB).

The Ground Launched SDB has already been developed and tested by Boeing and SAAB. However, the GLSDB is a product in search of a customer.

Below is a link to a marketing video by SAAB.

https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb

48 posted on 02/17/2023 12:13:48 PM PST by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

No, I distictly recall it was JDAMS. Again, it may have been pie-in-the-sky thinking (lots of that going around).

Search did not turn up much on the fly, but this one is kind of interesting:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-would-double-ukraines-precision-strike-range


49 posted on 02/17/2023 12:21:06 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: FtrPilot

I can easily believe the JDOMs conversion to ground-to-ground weapons is nonsense. There were also reports refuting the reports this was possible and being done.

I hate fly consider myself myself a munitions expert. And so I am leery of all these reports.


50 posted on 02/17/2023 12:33:07 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd; FtrPilot

Oh dear. Spellchecker got me again. “hate fly” = “hardly”


51 posted on 02/17/2023 12:35:14 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd
There are conflicting reports on the pilot training time frame...

True.

No one will really know until the aircraft are delivered and flown in Ukraine by Ukraine pilots.

My personal belief, based on my personal experience is 2 to 3 months.

52 posted on 02/17/2023 12:39:26 PM PST by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

Fair enough. I guess we’ll see.

Thanks for being reasonable, knowledgeable and polite. Seriously.


53 posted on 02/17/2023 12:44:40 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: FtrPilot

And I meant my last most sincerely. Hope to see more from you here.


54 posted on 02/17/2023 12:50:39 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd
Thanks to you as well.

If I have any questions about weapons or munitions, I will ping you if that's OK.

55 posted on 02/17/2023 12:54:44 PM PST by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

Please do ping me! I would most appreciate it. But again, I hardly consider myself a munitions expert. I’m more about learning than teaching in that department.


56 posted on 02/17/2023 1:03:43 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: libertylover

I hope/assume this is sarcasm on your part. I have to assume that someone is telling leadership that it’s great we’re helping the UKR forces but we still have to defend our own asses first. Right now I don’t believe Russia is going to go past UKR but no one is giving core ammunition stocks unless they are already a speed bump in an advance. Lend/lease and selling ammo is fine if you can afford to do so and can make more which seems the England can’t speed up.. Nobody planned for this and if they could it still take months to years to ramp up production and logistics. For example, I believe Iraq may still owe Russia billions of dollars for the shiny, brand new tanks and vehicles we destroyed in the 1990 Gulf War. Russia asked Iraq not to go to war with the US led forces but they did and we made Swiss cheese in the desert. So we are in a catch 22 with UKR now with providing lethal aid and making sure the can pay for the toys after this feud is over.


57 posted on 02/17/2023 1:07:59 PM PST by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Liaison

The curious thing is we did very much plan on this. This little war has actually been going on since 2014.


58 posted on 02/17/2023 1:20:08 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: PGR88

BTW....tanks all melt the same way...so sending bigger better tanks are just sending tanks.


59 posted on 02/17/2023 3:35:09 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: dforest

Russia is not going to loose this war....all their leadership has said so...they will continue the war because Ukraine was and is their red line...they will never let Ukraine become a Nato member....rather destroy it until it collapses no matter how long it takes.


60 posted on 02/17/2023 3:38:37 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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